Steve Smith takes Cam over Tebow anyday.

[CRA]

No way to know who has the better player at the moment.

What I do know is The Golden Calf of Bristol's executing better.

The only way to really compare them, is if Cam also starts executing better and The Golden Calf of Bristol also gets the kind of help Cam gets. Then you can. Right now what it shows is even with an anemic team, executing and being efficient > raw unrefined talent.

Our only hope is Cam has what it takes to become refined and we also picked the right people for the job. So far this year, I couldn't freaking answer you either question.

It's either Cam or the coaching staff. Can't tell which one's which and the only way we'll find out is if we either start winning, or one of them goes. If Cam goes and someone takes over and we start winning, it was Cam or Cam didn't fit in here. If we change the coach and we start winning we picked the wrong coach to train this rook. And I hope we don't fug up yet another rookie because of poor management and coaching politics.

The Golden Calf of Bristol isn't executing better. His 30 something completion % in quarters 1 through 3 and league worst 3rd down completion rate backs that.

[Showtime]

The Golden Calf of Bristol isn't executing better. His 30 something completion % in quarters 1 through 3 and league worst 3rd down completion rate backs that.

Could there be more to this story, and could it be yet another illusion of one specific vacuum stat? You came to the same conclusion I did on Houston, that because of Houston's schedule their defensive stats are overinflated. Well let me fill you in on a couple of stats and you decide:

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's receiving corps is 31st in the league. Worst in yards after catch as well, meaning his receivers suck at helping him. Our receiving corps have 1500 yards after catch and the #2 receiver in the league in all purpose yards. 2 in the top 12 in yards after catch including Stewart, our running back, at #7 above Smith at #12. This means Cam's dumping off a lot of passes. The Golden Calf of Bristol's not.

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's got a 100+ rating in 4th quarter come backs. Cam's is the complete opposite in 4th quarter comebacks and his rating plummets in these situations(note what I am referring to is different than his overall 4th quarter rating). You decide which one matters more.

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's interception efficiency is 1 per 99 pass attempts. Aaron Rodgers is 1 per 73. That means The Golden Calf of Bristol throws 99 passes and only throws 1 interception. Cam is 1 for 29. Dalton's 1 for 34. Even Gabbert's 1 for 33. Cam throws an interception every 29 passes. One of the worst in the league in the stat that matters just as much if not more than touchdowns or completion %.

Do you think a QB's receiving corps are having a negative impact on his completion %? Remember, completion % doesn't just measure passing accuracy. It measures receivers as well.

His interception % says a lot about The Golden Calf of Bristol's accuracy. He's gotta be accurate else he should have more than 1 pick every 99 passing attempts. There's something else going on there. Like perhaps he's throwing a lot of balls away.

Luckily the NFL has thought of this and the way they measure QB rating rewards a QB correctly for his ability to decide to take a sack or throw the ball away over interceptions. So finally:

The Golden Calf of Bristol: 83.9 QB rating. #14 in the league

Newton: 81.1 QB rating #19 in the league

Yes he is executing better as a passer and is a better passing QB. Unlike most fans the NFL knows interceptions are just as important as touchdowns or yards and they are counted as such in their passer rating or passer efficiency ratio. He's also a better game manager and can comeback to win under pressure despite a very anemic receiving corps.

[SCP]

Cam is also a rookie. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not.

[TheRealDeal]

Cam has more NFL starts than The Golden Calf of Bristol.

[SCP]

Cam is still a rookie. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not. The Golden Calf of Bristol has more practice reps.

[CRA]

Could there be more to this story, and could it be yet another illusion of one specific vacuum stat? You came to the same conclusion I did on Houston, that because of Houston's schedule their defensive stats are overinflated. Well let me fill you in on a couple of stats and you decide:

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's receiving corps is 31st in the league. Worst in yards after catch as well, meaning his receivers suck at helping him. Our receiving corps have 1500 yards after catch and the #2 receiver in the league in all purpose yards. 2 in the top 12 in yards after catch including Stewart, our running back, at #7 above Smith at #12. This means Cam's dumping off a lot of passes. The Golden Calf of Bristol's not.

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's got a 100+ rating in 4th quarter come backs. Cam's is the complete opposite in 4th quarter comebacks and his rating plummets in these situations(note what I am referring to is different than his overall 4th quarter rating). You decide which one matters more.

-The Golden Calf of Bristol's interception efficiency is 1 per 99 pass attempts. Aaron Rodgers is 1 per 73. That means The Golden Calf of Bristol throws 99 passes and only throws 1 interception. Cam is 1 for 29. Dalton's 1 for 34. Even Gabbert's 1 for 33. Cam throws an interception every 29 passes. One of the worst in the league in the stat that matters just as much if not more than touchdowns or completion %.

Do you think a QB's receiving corps are having a negative impact on his completion %? Remember, completion % doesn't just measure passing accuracy. It measures receivers as well.

His interception % says a lot about The Golden Calf of Bristol's accuracy. He's gotta be accurate else he should have more than 1 pick every 99 passing attempts. There's something else going on there. Like perhaps he's throwing a lot of balls away.

Luckily the NFL has thought of this and the way they measure QB rating rewards a QB correctly for his ability to decide to take a sack or throw the ball away over interceptions. So finally:

The Golden Calf of Bristol: 83.9 QB rating. #14 in the league

Newton: 81.1 QB rating #19 in the league

Yes he is executing better as a passer and is a better passing QB. Unlike most fans the NFL knows interceptions are just as important as touchdowns and they are counted as such in their passer rating or passer efficiency ratio. He's also a better game manager and can comeback to win under pressure despite a very anemic receiving corps.

doesn't matter the length of your posts......the Bronco offense isn't good. It is not effiecient. The Golden Calf of Bristol is flat out horrible for 90% of just about every game he has started. They can't convert on 3rd down, he can't complete passes.

The Golden Calf of Bristol making 1 or 2 plays in a tiny window.....doesn't make the offense decent. The offense is bad. They are VERY one dimensional and struggle putting any points on the board. If they didn't have a great defense and a coach playing not to lose football.....they would not be in a single game.

also, please don't bring up QB rating when talking The Golden Calf of Bristol. That is silly.

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Lets wait to compare Cam's 2012 to The Golden Calf of Bristol's 2011. Until then, The Golden Calf of Bristol can go choke on a communion wafer.

[Wyank]

doesn't matter the length of your posts......the Bronco offense isn't good. It is not effiecient. The Golden Calf of Bristol is flat out horrible for 90% of just about every game he has started. They can't convert on 3rd down, he can't complete passes.

The Golden Calf of Bristol making 1 or 2 plays in a tiny window.....doesn't make the offense decent. The offense is bad. They are VERY one dimensional and struggle putting any points on the board. If they didn't have a great defense and a coach playing not to lose football.....they would not be in a single game.

also, please don't bring up QB rating when talking The Golden Calf of Bristol. That is silly.

So what is Denver and The Golden Calf of Bristol's efficiency rating? Not just the miracle 4th quarter heroics.

[Showtime]

doesn't matter the length of your posts......the Bronco offense isn't good. It is not effiecient. The Golden Calf of Bristol is flat out horrible for 90% of just about every game he has started. They can't convert on 3rd down, he can't complete passes.

The Golden Calf of Bristol making 1 or 2 plays in a tiny window.....doesn't make the offense decent. The offense is bad. They are VERY one dimensional and struggle putting any points on the board. If they didn't have a great defense and a coach playing not to lose football.....they would not be in a single game.

also, please don't bring up QB rating when talking The Golden Calf of Bristol. That is silly.

So you're going to ignore facts again that you don't like.

Does that mean in a months you're going to start using my argument again and pass them as your own? Cause I think everyone here remembers I was the one posting about Houston's defense not being any good and pointing out their schedule. Now you seem to use it without shame.

Gotcha.

Just for the record though: Offensive efficiency:

#12 Denver 15.3

#23 Carolina 16.6

So yeah they ARE more efficient. Far more efficient. Maybe in a month you can start taking about this too and act like you came up with it!

[bauss]

So you're going to ignore facts again that you don't like.

Or perhaps it's the fact that you can make stats say anything you want them to say.

Conversely, Carolina leads the league in scoring drives of 80+ yards. Wouldn't you say that has A LOT to do with this YPP bullpoo you preach?

Nobody cares about YPP because there are WAY too many variables to consider. Right now the glaring problem isn't scoring points. It's stopping points. If you can't see that you're completely fuging retarded.

[TheRealDeal]

Cam is still a rookie. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not. The Golden Calf of Bristol has more practice reps.

That's an assumption that is likely incorrect considering where The Golden Calf of Bristol was on the depth chart.

[Showtime]

Or perhaps it's the facts that you can make stats say anything you want them to say.

Conversely, Carolina leads the league in scoring drives of 80+ yards. Wouldn't you say that has A LOT to do with this YPP bullpoo you preach?

I made up the QB rating stat or is the official NFL passer rating?

It's fuging simple. This is the official passer rating that everybody recognizes:

The Golden Calf of Bristol: 83.9

Cam Newton: 81.1

Interceptions:

The Golden Calf of Bristol: 2

Cam Newton: 16

Per pass attempt:

Tim 1 per 99

Cam 1 per 29.

I'm not making them look like anything. This is what they are. These are the grades the NFL gave these quarterbacks. Sorry you don't like the results and try to argue it away.

You love to brag about Cam's rating when it's good. All of a sudden it doesn't matter cause The Golden Calf of Bristol's better?

The Golden Calf of Bristol's a better passer. Period.

[Panthro]

lol

[SCP]

That's an assumption that is likely incorrect considering where The Golden Calf of Bristol was on the depth chart.

He had mental reps. He had limited practice reps (per your assumption), but they were practoce reps none the less. He has the same coordinator. He has meeting time with that coordinator. Cam walked out of the draft room and into a lockout shortened mini-camp. But hey, keep dismissing those facts all you want. Hypothetical: If The Golden Calf of Bristol was drafted #1 by us this year (if Cam did not exist), what is our record?