I'm now with the fire Hurney train

[Razzy]

Hurney is around at least for the remainder of Rivera's contract. Worst case scenario - This team spends another 3-4 years as a tomato can. In that case, both Rivera and Hurney would get the ax. If this team makes a deep playoff run or 2-3 playoff berths then both will probably get extended.

I'm willing to bet that both Hurney and Rivera will be around for the remainder of Jerry's ownership.

[SnarkAttack]

I mean we've had 4 winning seasons in 17 years. I'm fairly sure the FO hasn't exactly been doing a bang-up job...

[MemphisGambler]

As for the all the other pro Hurney posters. John Fox was essentially fired/put in limbo because he wasn't winning consistently. Yet he's rocking in Denver, which has minimal offensive talent.

Fox Ball, turns out, is just the medicine in Denver.

So...was coaching the problem in the last few seasons?

Hmmm...

THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO MEASURE SUCCESS IN THIS LEAGUE...THE RECORD.

Hurney always argues, 'well the players I drafted are on the field.' He's right. But collectively, how many games have these dolts won this season and in the past two seasons? How many winning seasons in the last eight?

I say it all the time: if I did my job like Marty Hurney does his...all my clients would fire me. And with good reason.

Coaching was the problem to a large degree. Fox was smitten with Jake and had JR and Hurney buying in. Fox has gotten lucky as hell. Easy schedule , Dumervil back, new Peppers with Von Miller. This Denver aberration will come to a screeching halt this week. Fox is what he is (serviceable and predictable, he is playing with house money with The Golden Calf of Bristol. Elway and Fox still don't back The Golden Calf of Bristol with the media). As for Hurney, I want to see how RR impacts his drafting because I do believe that Fox influenced Hurney's picks, EBrown especially.

[MemphisGambler]

I can't see Hurney going anywhere in the near future after drafting Cam.

He does deserve major credit for the Cam selection especially considering the intense criticism of Cam by the media. Hell, I remember all of the crap being spewed by the "draft experts" that Cam was a spread system college QB and should be a late first round pick and would probably fail because he wasn't a traditional drop back QB,had no work ethic and no character.

[MemphisGambler]

Hurney might have done pretty well here overall, but outside of Cam, he has completely sucked for the past 3 years. Even that good 2008 draft doesnt look as good now that Otah is a bust.

"what have you done for me lately?"

in the past 3 years, Hurney has completely dropped the ball. Edwards, E. Brown, Claussen, Jarrett...

Yea, he did draft Cam, but We had the number one pick. If you dont hit big with a number 1 pick, then you need to be fired immediately. Besides, I think that Rivera is the one who convinced Hurney to pick Cam. Hurney has never EVER drafted a good QB in his entire career until Rivera comes along... Go figure.

His drafting excluding Cam has been mediocre at best in recent history. I just wonder if some of the picks were influenced by Fox out of desperation, EBrown comes to mind especially. Our WR drafting has been sketchy to say the least (Colbert, Carter, Jarrett, Edwards, etc) but Lafell seems to be turning the corner and Gettis was a good late round value pick (I know he's hurt but MH can't control that). Besides Claussen, we never even drafted a QB early in the draft because of the Jake obsession (again Fox). Pilares as well was a decent pick. If Rivera influenced the Cam pick for Hurney, then one would ascertain that the lack of attention to drafting a QB was attributable to the former coach, Fox.

[MHS831]

Fox made most of the picks during Hurney's career. Fox's last draft having input was in 2008, when we took Stewart and Otah. Those are Fox players. After that, Hurney took over and Fox became a lame duck. Just read his 2009-present resume:

2009: (2nd because he traded the first rounder) Everette Brown

(Extended Jake Delhomme, lost Peppers)

2010: Jimmy Clausen (Hurney ignored the fact that teams that needed a QB passed on JC--some in the second round as well. Hurney actually offered the 2011--cam newton--pick to the Rams to move up to take Clausen. So, if you praise him for taking Cam, it is only because he could not piss the pick away the year before).

2011: Cam Newton (not such a great pick because they spent months getting to know him, testing him, etc. Once they felt he could learn the playbook, it was really a no-brainer. The public was in the dark, making the pick seem riskier.)

You will never convince me that MH was not trading away first rounders in an attempt to save his job. But to do that while purging the team of veterans is a death sentence.

The best round (by far) that Hurney ever drafted? 2010, sixth round. Gettis and Hardy. 2008's third round is next, with Godfrey and Dan Connor.

Some will argue that he has been spot on in the first rounds. I agree, but not so fast. He drafted SAFE players. 2 RBs, 2 OTs, 2 LBs, a DE (peppers) and one CB. During this time, we had an aging, undrafted, former USFL backup QB. We have needed DT help since Buck and Jenkins were here. How good would Steve Smith (not drafted by Hurney) be if we brought in 1 WR who is a threat to play opposite him? QB, WR, DT are risky picks with high bust rates. Hurney has avoided them, even when they were (or would soon be) huge needs.

Is Hurney trying to save his job? Why move up to draft Armanti Edwards? He thought he had a secret in his backyard and would look brilliant if he becomes a star. Armanti would have been there in the sixth round, Marty.

The smart thing for MH to do this year is to trade back. We will pick around 8-11, and I do not see a DT worth having there, and am not sure a LOT is the right pick. Possibly Zack Brown, OLB, but nearly all of the 4-3 OLBs are second rounders and beyond.

[X-Clown]

Fox made most of the picks during Hurney's career. Fox's last draft having input was in 2009, when we took Stewart and Otah. Those are Fox players. After that, Hurney took over and Fox became a lame duck. Just read his 2010-present resume:

Stewart-otah was 08. I'm thinking Fox had some say in 2009 also with Everette brown, Martin, Irvin, Goodson, fiametta, duke, and captain.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

we literally would have been better off if the FO didn't show up at all for the 2009 draft

we got barely anything out of that draft though we managed to trade away our 2010 1st rounder in the process, which could have been used to take Devin McCourty or Dez Bryant

so this "build through the draft" FO that ignores outside FAs has entire years where they might as well just been on vacation the whole time

[R0CKnR0LLA]

in comparison, 2009 GB drafted BJ Raji AND Clay Matthews, both top 3 players at their positions

must be nice

[Stroupe-a-loop]

we literally would have been better off if the FO didn't show up at all for the 2009 draft

we got barely anything out of that draft though we managed to trade away our 2010 1st rounder in the process, which could have been used to take Devin McCourty or Dez Bryant

so this "build through the draft" FO that ignores outside FAs has entire years where they might as well just been on vacation the whole time

Isn't McCourty having a terrible season? I'd like Bryant, but he kind of seems like an idiot.

That was actually a pretty weak draft looking at it now. Gronk is far and away the best guy taken after our pick.