Unbiased website. Newton vs Tebow

[TheRealDeal]

Forum Protip: the above post is a good example of stupid people who don't understand the perils of extrapolation

Only if the current ratios stood. The thing is, I doubt this would be the case if The Golden Calf of Bristol threw as much as Cam did. He might still have fewer INTs but he also would likely have fewer TDs than what you would expect given his numbers. The reason is that if The Golden Calf of Bristol threw as much as Cam, defenses would play him differently. Right now, defenses that play the Broncos key in on stopping the run and force The Golden Calf of Bristol to beat them with his arm; for 3/4ths of the game he simply can't do it.

Course who knows, maybe in our offense he would be able to since we'd just let him sit in the shotgun...

Too many "ifs" for me. I'm just going off of facts. It would be true the current ratios would have to hold but do you honestly think he'd only throw 4 TDs in the next 254 attempts? That's almost Jimmy Clausen bad and no one has been on that level except for thee Jimmy Clausen. That's going from 1 TD every 18 passes to 1 TD every 64 passes. Nah.

To match Cam's Ints, he'd have to throw 14 in 254 attempts, or go from 1 in every 99 pass attempts to 1 in every 18. I don't buy that either.

Too many variables so it's all just opinion based not really everyone's own reality.

If I had to choose now for the future, I'll take Cam, but let me reevaluate every so often.

[mav1234]

Obviously, but when people said Cam Newton was a top 5 QB in the NFL, it's hard to have subjective discussions on what makes who a good passer. I never said I would take The Golden Calf of Bristol over Cam to build around and I do think Cam is a better QB, but that's my opinion and everything in the world is proving that opinion wrong right now. It won't matter for 2 more years anyway when we have to decide to extend Cam or let him walk.

There are people on the Broncos forum who think The Golden Calf of Bristol is a top 5 QB in the NFL... I mean objective discussions about a player on a team by fans are pretty rare anyway.

I understand you were playing devil's advocate but really a lot of those stats are more than a bit deceiving (TDs per attempt etc) when it comes to his passing ability.

The Golden Calf of Bristol wins games though and that is what matters... I just can't imagine he will keep at it like he has. But you never know, that IS Foxball, and Fox was successful with it here early.

Too many "ifs" for me. I'm just going off of facts. It would be true the current ratios would have to hold but do you honestly think he'd only throw 4 TDs in the next 254 attempts? That's almost Jimmy Clausen bad and no one has been on that level except for thee Jimmy Clausen. That's going from 1 TD every 18 passes to 1 TD every 64 passes. Nah.

To match Cam's Ints, he'd have to throw 14 in 254 attempts, or go from 1 in every 99 pass attempts to 1 in every 18. I don't buy that either.

Too many variables so it's all just opinion based not really everyone's own reality.

If I had to choose now for the future, I'll take Cam, but let me reevaluate every so often.

I wasn't saying he would do *worse* than Cam, I was saying it'd be much much closer.

There's a ton of ifs involved with just double a guy's attempts anyways, so I don't see what the problem is with discussing the other facts associated with that.

[TheRealDeal]

Yes, if you want to take things into account other than stats, you have to take Fox, you know, the guy we just ran out of town because he couldn't win in the NFL anymore?

[CatMan72]

Too many "ifs" for me. I'm just going off of facts. It would be true the current ratios would have to hold but do you honestly think he'd only throw 4 TDs in the next 254 attempts? That's almost Jimmy Clausen bad and no one has been on that level except for thee Jimmy Clausen. That's going from 1 TD every 18 passes to 1 TD every 64 passes. Nah.

To match Cam's Ints, he'd have to throw 14 in 254 attempts, or go from 1 in every 99 pass attempts to 1 in every 18. I don't buy that either.

Too many variables so it's all just opinion based not really everyone's own reality.

If I had to choose now for the future, I'll take Cam, but let me reevaluate every so often.

IIRC, Matt Moore was averaging an INT for every 10 passing attempts at the beginning of last season... LOL

[mav1234]

Yes, if you want to take things into account other than stats, you have to take Fox, you know, the guy we just ran out of town because he couldn't win in the NFL anymore?

We SHOULD take Fox into account. He's the biggest reason they went from garbage to competitive, even if The Golden Calf of Bristol is the one winning him games.

Fox has always been good at fielding teams that got up for games and fought hard, and most years he will be at worst mediocre.

The thing is even good coaches need to move on sometimes because their messages stop working and I think that is what happened with Fox here.

[frash.exe]

Too many "ifs" for me. I'm just going off of facts. It would be true the current ratios would have to hold but do you honestly think he'd only throw 4 TDs in the next 254 attempts? That's almost Jimmy Clausen bad and no one has been on that level except for thee Jimmy Clausen. That's going from 1 TD every 18 passes to 1 TD every 64 passes. Nah.

To match Cam's Ints, he'd have to throw 14 in 254 attempts, or go from 1 in every 99 pass attempts to 1 in every 18. I don't buy that either.

Too many variables so it's all just opinion based not really everyone's own reality.

If I had to choose now for the future, I'll take Cam, but let me reevaluate every so often.

you're taking stats and making very basic, amateur projections and trying to pass it off as credible.

yea lets just assume based on Cam's first two games that he would've thrown for 6850 yards this season. Let's assume based on his first three quarters with going 3/16 for 45 yards that The Golden Calf of Bristol would've finished the game 4/21 for about 56 yards. This isn't how the game works

[mav1234]

you're taking stats and making very basic, amateur projections and trying to pass it off as credible.

yea lets just assume based on Cam's first two games that he would've thrown for 6850 yards this season.

you are right but this isn't the first time someone has babbled on about this... pretty sure we had a couple of "WOO! Cam's going to pass for 5000 yards!" posts early on...

[TheRealDeal]

We SHOULD take Fox into account. He's the biggest reason they went from garbage to competitive, even if The Golden Calf of Bristol is the one winning him games.

Fox has always been good at fielding teams that got up for games and fought hard, and most years he will be at worst mediocre.

The thing is even good coaches need to move on sometimes because their messages stop working and I think that is what happened with Fox here.

Yes, but Fox has always been an offensive handicap for QBs because he chooses to run the ball and not air it out yet people are acting like all of the sudden Fox is doing that because of The Golden Calf of Bristol.

[TheRealDeal]

Why is Cam Newton a better NFL QB than The Golden Calf of Bristol?

[frash.exe]

Why is Cam Newton a better NFL QB than The Golden Calf of Bristol?

why do you think making amateur projections and not considering any other variable or making critical analysis is a good objective point against Cam's case that he is better?

[mav1234]

Yes, but Fox has always been an offensive handicap for QBs because he chooses to run the ball and not air it out yet people are acting like all of the sudden Fox is doing that because of The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Orton was averaging like 31 attempts per game, including the game he got pulled half way through. The Broncos went 1-4 with him, but lost 3 games by a total of 10 points. They ran the ball fewer times too though I no longer have those numbers on hand; something like 15-20 times fewer (which is more than the number of attempts per game different than The Golden Calf of Bristol & Orton). The Golden Calf of Bristol is throwing it 18 times per game.

Orton did turn the ball over quite a few times, but it isn't as if they were down huge and they had to use him to come back from huge deficits in most games.

Something DID change in how the offense was called when The Golden Calf of Bristol came in.

[footballisasport]

Everyone loves to bring up the picks. Guess what? He's a rookie. The beloved Peyton Manning had 28 his first year and led the NFL. Cam has 16 with three games left. He's going to need to average four a game for the next three games to tie that, which I doubt will happen.

Everyone brings them up because they're negative and anything negative related to Cam will become front and center with some folks.

They will demand more and more from Cam while excepting him never to make mistakes. In the meantime, they will be quick to overlook the flaws of those they have respect for.

[Miaoww]

I'd take The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Divine intervention > Superman.

[TheRealDeal]

I'd take The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Divine intervention > Superman.

RGIII's explanation of Superman socks shits all over Cam.

Anyone else think that was a Cam dis?