Cam vs Tim

[MWCarolina]

Fox is out coaching Rivera and thats the truth... he is doing more with less...

Maybe on offense, BUT on defense Fox has MORE talent than River does. Fox has DJ Williams, Champ Bailey, Brodrick Bunkley isnt bad, Marcus Thomas is playing well, they have Von Miller and Elvis Dummerville too. compare that to us, Gamble isnt awful, but he's no Champ. we have Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, but i think Dummerville and Miller combined are better than what we have and CLEARLY their DTs are better, plus they have another vet. at safety in Dawkins.

[frash.exe]

Fox is out coaching Rivera and thats the truth... he is doing more with less...

both Panthers and Denver had very bad defense, ours still sucks and Denver's is now in the top 10 i believe.. Fox is winning with a QB who cannot consistantly throw.. Cam will pass Manning's rookie passing record and cant win

Fox > Rivera

ummm their defense is like filled with vets, von miller and it still ranks no where near the top ten in yards, points or even on football outsiders. They make plays because they play in a poo division and in the other games they're going against backup QBs who have no business starting (e.g. Caleb Hanie), project QBs (Christian Ponder) or perpetually inconsistent mediocre passers (Sanchez, Cassel). Their only game they faced a good QB with The Golden Calf of Bristol was with Detroit and they got destroyed. I don't even count Rivers because he's been the butt end of defensive highlights the entire season. Before The Golden Calf of Bristol started, Rodgers had a career day, and you'll see just how much The Golden Calf of Bristol magic the Patriots let happen next week when Denver actually has to face the first healthy, consistent, and winning team since like week 8.

we all saw what happened when Fox had to coach a team with a lot of young players, like Rivera is tasked with doing now.

[MemphisGambler]

My honest opinion... put Cam on the broncos and he's not in that situation because they are comfortably ahead most weeks... Put The Golden Calf of Bristol with us this year and he is not going to have the oppotunities to make those late 4th quarter drives...

IMO 10 years down the road when we look back at these QB's The Golden Calf of Bristol will be no where in the discussion with CAM.

So for a franchise QB Cam >>>>>> Tim...

Now if you want to argue last minute pressure situations only, I can concede that and only that to tim right now.

Who has Denver beaten ? The Bears lost at home to KC last week. No Culter or Forte.

[MemphisGambler]

ummm their defense is like filled with vets, von miller and it still ranks no where near the top ten in yards, points or even on football outsiders. They make plays because they play in a poo division and in the other games they're going against backup QBs who have no business starting (e.g. Caleb Hanie), project QBs (Christian Ponder) or perpetually inconsistent mediocre passers (Sanchez, Cassel). They're only game they faced a good QB with The Golden Calf of Bristol was with Detroit and they got destroyed. I don't even count Rivers because he's been the butt end of defensive highlights the entire season. Before The Golden Calf of Bristol started, Rodgers had a career day, and you'll see just how much The Golden Calf of Bristol magic the Patriots let happen next week when Denver actually has to face the first healthy, consistent, and winning team since like week 8.

we all saw what happened when Fox had to coach a team with a lot of young players, like Rivera is tasked with doing now.

Truth.

[KillerKat]

3 out of 9

[jamos14]

3 out of 9

What is that, Mare's FG makes/attempts??

[Kevin Greene]

[Kevin Greene]

[MWCarolina]

ummm their defense is like filled with vets, von miller and it still ranks no where near the top ten in yards, points or even on football outsiders.

i know that, BUT the point i am making is that even Fox with his good coaching couldnt make this Panthers defense decent. you got to have decent DTs to stop the run, that's the biggest issue with Carolina, plus we dont have a cornerback like Champ on our team. Fox is a great addition to Denver, no doubt, but i am happy with Rivera as the head coach, he just needs better talent, mainly at DT and CB.

[Chaos]

Sonofabitch, why is there still anything resembling conversation in this thread at this point? The Golden Calf of Bristol?

What part of "gif approved" do people not understand??

[PaulSoleil]

cam's got FIVE pro-bowlers on that offense...including three pro-bowl targets (smith, shockey, olsen) and a pro-bowl running back (williams). last year they only had williams and smith, there was a serious upgrade in talent that let's be honest, my friend's sister should have good stats QBing that team. (and she'd prob have as many wins as cam)

you're SO talent heavy in fact, that you'll be way over the salary cap next year and have to jettison some people, prob shockey for sure and some others.

look if cam can't win with THAT group, he's never gonna be a winner.

dalton has more wins with less to work with. shoot, look at The Golden Calf of Bristol...any pro-bowlers on our offense? nope.

but yeah, cam gets all the credit for....i guess those 4 wins....interesting though that after the first few games of the season, he hasn't had a huge game...because defenses have figure out how to play him.

(and if you want to point to cam's stats, well, The Golden Calf of Bristol actually has a better passer rating than cam....)

[Jangler]

People need to get off The Golden Calf of Bristol's back. The guy was 12/14 to end the game and is much more clutch than Cam is. No I would not choose The Golden Calf of Bristol over Cam, but The Golden Calf of Bristol is a legitimately fantastic game manager and 4th quarter quarterback. He's like Super Jake Delhomme. The question is not ridiculous.

Agreed. but this thread needs to be ridiculed.

[edromeo]

Would u trade Cam for The Golden Calf of Bristol if it ment winning in the broncos fashion?

Winning in the Bronco's fashion requires: great special teams and great defense.

Therefore the trade must also must include:

The Golden Calf of Bristol + Denver's RT

Specials

Matt Prater

Denver's Punter

Defense:

Champ Bailey

Wesley Woodyard

Elvis Dummerville

Von Miller

[MWCarolina]

look if cam can't win with THAT group, he's never gonna be a winner. dalton has more wins with less to work with. shoot, look at The Golden Calf of Bristol...any pro-bowlers on our offense? nope.

people keep saying the SAME Thing. "Look at what Cam has on offense" but fail to ask, "look at what Cam has on defense." why is that???? and your Andy Dalton line is just funny. Dalton has Jermaine Gresham (young pass catching TE), AJ Green (rookie WR with a ton of promise), Simpson (young WR who came on strong last year when Owens and Ochocinco were hurt and is now turning into a great 2nd WR), Cedric Benson and Andre Caldwell (a good 3rd WR) and that's not to mention that Jordan Shipley is on IR, those WRs are better than Cam's WRs and i havent even gotten into what Dalton has on defense. NOW i agree that The Golden Calf of Bristol doesnt have much talent on offense, BUT on defense, he has a ton of talent there.