Cam vs Tim

[teeray]

The reason it's one of the most popular NFL stats and is used as a handicap often is because it correlates better to winning than anything else, so if you're not a complete fuging idiot you're going to use that stat to predict wins and losses or power rank teams. That's how you make money. You use the more important stat that's more accurate while hoping to run into a dumbass who just doesn't get it and keeps using stats that really don't mean anything week in and week out, are never right and continues to lose their ass off because they don't know what they need to look for. And there are plenty of people that do that.

Good thing I am up every year over the last 4 seasons and am good enough at what I do that people invest in me every year. :party:

[BigSyke]

panthers score 24 on avg a game.

49ners scores 23 a game

ny jets score 25 game

denver score 19 game

chicago,bengals, titans, ravens,falcons,dallas, steelers, texans and giants all score 1 point MORE, the same or less than panthers a game and are all in playoff contention to win a SUPERBOWL.

MANNNNNNN I WONDER WHY??????

THEY ALL HAVE BETTER DEFENSE THEN PANTHERS!!!! panthers are ranked 31 in defensive efficiency.

[mav1234]

actually ypp does not correlate to winning better than points per game (this year anyway, too lazy to look up last year's), and defense ypp doesn't correlate to winning better than points allowed per game. hell, point differential is what correlates best. the funny thing is that the fact YPP includes yards is what drives it into the gutter because yards don't translate to wins, but points do... save when your defense blows! yay!

haven't done an analysis to determine if the slops are different enough, but here are the r² for each line: ppg by wins .6, ypp by wins .52, point differential at .82.

in other words, outscore your opponent and you win! hurr! but that's easier when your defense is any good.

seriously though, ypp is not correlated better to winning than "anything else," and even if it was, it is not a measurement of offense alone, it is a measure of scoring.

[Showtime]

Good thing I am up every year over the last 4 season and am good enough at what I do that people invest in me every year. :party:

Please you would have lost your ass off betting against me considering everything you have posted is so off the mark with what actually happens every week. Not to mention you've already admitted you lost money. You should learn stats before betting any more on football games or better yet, just don't bet at all. Just enjoy the game.

[Showtime]

actually ypp does not correlate to winning better than points per game (this year anyway, too lazy to look up last year's), and defense ypp doesn't correlate to winning better than points allowed per game. hell, point differential is what correlates best.

haven't done an analysis to determine if the slops are different enough, but here are the r² for each line: ppg by wins .6, ypp by wins .52, defense ypp and defensive ppg are equal at .35, point differential at .82.

in other words, outscore your opponent and you win! hurr!

seriously though, ypp is not correlated better to winning than "anything else," and even if it was, it is not a measurement of offense alone, it is a measure of scoring.

Are you serious? Please enlighten me how our offense's ppg ranking correlates to our winning record. Or yards. lol.

That's actually the entire point of using yards per point, because other wise points per game would be sufficiently accurate. It's not, so you go off yards per point, or efficiency.

And it is also a measurement of your offense if you're measuring ypp for your offense. What the hell else can it possible be? Common sense. You keep making this retarded statement. It's a measurement. It can be applied to anything. NFL yards don't belong to Steve Smith, but Smith's yards are Steve Smith's yards.

Efficiency isn't something that measures only offenses or even NFL offenses. It measures whatever the hell you want to measure with it. But offensive yards per point, measures efficiency for your team's offense.

[mav1234]

oh ok, always has and always will.

just hasn't this year, got it!

[Mr. Scot]

I wonder what percentage of total posts over the past few months have been devoted to arguing the value of YPP.

[Showtime]

Really mav, I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. Here I'll prove it...

Carolina total offense yards per game(YPG): 11th

Carolina points per game(PPG): 5th

Carolina's scoring offense yards per point(YPP): 22nd

League standings winning record: 24th

Hmm...which one of those stats standings correlates best to our winning record standings this year? Are we even close to having the 11th or 5th best record in the league?

[Porn Shop Clerk]

how does leading the league in scoring drives of 80+ yard figure into that

oh it fugs your whole inane theory to poo

[mav1234]

you forgot one

point differential: -42, 22nd in the league

here's another one for you:

Steelers

YPG: 11th

PPG: 19th

YPP: 24th

Actual Standing: 6th

Point Differential: +84, 7th

Here's another:

NYJ

YPG: 25th

PPG: 6th

YPP: 2nd

Standing: 11th

Point differential: +57, 9th

[Showtime]

how does leading the league in scoring drives of 80+ yard figure into that

oh it fugs your whole inane theory to poo

How does leading the league in scoring drives correlate to us being 24th in winning and losing?

Answer: obviously it doesn't. Meaningless vacuum stat. We don't actually lead the league in winning do we?

To answer your question, it's included in yards per point, which is why yards per point is a better measurement. It includes all of those meaningless vacuum stats together and then they start making sense.

Because per drive stats leaves out things like field position, turnovers, how long the drives were, etc, which happen to be very fuging important. Yards per point doesn't leave that out. It includes your points per drive, as well as anything else that results to scoring points. So obviously, per drive stats, are included in yards per point.

Per drive stats mean less than yards per point. It's a less meaningful stat than yards per point because it leaves a lot of important things out. Those stats are meant to be measure certain parts of your offense. Yards per point measures your total offense, working together, performing it's entire job, from A to Z.

[mav1234]

the whole point is that there is no single stat that tells you who will win or lose a game, nor does it tell you who played better in a game. there is also really no single stat that will tell you how an entire unit did in a game.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

he's just completely misunderstanding the stat all the way around

[Showtime]

the whole point is that there is no single stat that tells you who will win or lose a game, nor does it tell you who played better in a game. there is also really no single stat that will tell you how an entire unit did in a game.

First of all the point is you said it didn't measure it this year and I showed you it did, yet you skip right over it.

But the whole point is yards per point comes closest to it and it's better at it than your eyes or biased observation or the stats most people throw around all day long to argue football.

It's not a subjective stat. It tells the truth and it's not biased. You see what you wanna see, while yards per point shows what actually really happened. It doesn't side with anybody.

It's just a number.