Why can't we finish?

[raleigh-panther]

I said it in the chat LP and I've said it in threads before...

Chud's playcalling and total approach to the game after we get the lead is horrible. It's like once we get up by 2+ scores he feels the game is over.

On top of that, Cam forces it and throws two picks, putting a defense that was otherwise playing well on a short field. I believe Cam is forcing it because there is nothing there and Chud hasn't countered the opponent's adjustments.

There's a reason we've lost 7 out of 9 games this same way.

Yes, and penalities, stupid penalities on special teams, combined with holding penalities by the O.

Combined with many other things.

Like everyone, I'm tired of trying to explain away their losses in my mind.

They are simply not good enough to overcome mistakes and apparently they are not good enough to beat a team with a winning record.

[Panthers128]

Who's Casey?

Say it out loud. It'll rhyme with Kasay, so I think he's referring to our former FG kicker especially taking into account he's talking about our current FG kicker and references wanting someone back to replace him.

[bleys]

Yes, and penalities, stupid penalities on special teams, combined with holding penalities by the O.

Combined with many other things.

Like everyone, I'm tired of trying to explain away their losses in my mind.

They are simply not good enough to overcome mistakes and apparently they are not good enough to beat a team with a winning record.

that's the thing.. the explanations haven't changed, so why in the hell is everyone trying to pinpoint new ones? :jc:

[redbuddha]

Well I will say that I saw improvement over the last Falcons game. We could have kicked a field goal for the lead. 2nd, We had a drive down the field to possibly tie the game.

[bleys]

I said it in the chat LP and I've said it in threads before...

Chud's playcalling and total approach to the game after we get the lead is horrible. It's like once we get up by 2+ scores he feels the game is over.

On top of that, Cam forces it and throws two picks, putting a defense that was otherwise playing well on a short field. I believe Cam is forcing it because there is nothing there and Chud hasn't countered the opponent's adjustments.

There's a reason we've lost 7 out of 9 games this same way.

there were things where I said WTF CHUD... but you did pay attention to him changing up the playcalling to settle down Cam right?

also, Mora pointed out several times players were open, especially down the stretch that Cam missed.. guys were open. you're diagnosis is incorrect on that...

[Proudiddy]

there were things where I said WTF CHUD... but you did pay attention to him changing up the playcalling to settle down Cam right?

also, Mora pointed out several times players were open, especially down the stretch that Cam missed.. guys were open. you're diagnosis is incorrect on that...

No I said in another thread that Cam made some horrible decisions... The picks and Cam throwing to Naanee deep instead of a wide open Smitty over the middle on 4th come to mind.

But, Chud isn't changing anything. It seems our offense is vertical to an extreme and it hurts us once defenses make adjustments.

I don't know man, there is so much wrong with this team... It's frustrating. But, I stand by my observation that Chud goes into cruise control once we get a 2 score lead and we suffer for it.

[AceMan]

Why can't we finish?

It's the same reason why you never ask a Panthers player change for a dollar. We'll always only give 2 quarters

[bleys]

No I said in another thread that Cam made some horrible decisions... The picks and Cam throwing to Naanee deep instead of a wide open Smitty over the middle on 4th come to mind.

But, Chud isn't changing anything. It seems our offense is vertical to an extreme and it hurts us once defenses make adjustments.

I don't know man, there is so much wrong with this team... It's frustrating. But, I stand by my observation that Chud goes into cruise control once we get a 2 score lead and we suffer for it.

Chud completely revamped the playcalling in the 3rd quarter.. which is why I sometimes have a hard time understanding why you come up with certain opinions...

"Chud never changes his playcalling, despite changing up his playcalling to settle down Cam"

[vorbis]

defense that has too many limitations, only has narrow path to victory.

offense has a lot of pressure on it and could not seize the momentum back from stalled drives in the 3rd quarter.

no impact plays from ST or D after the safety.

cam's mechanics were as sloppy as they have been as a Panther in the 3rd quarter, resulting in several incompletions and 1 INT, the other INT being a panic move that you would hope can be eliminated pronto.

missed opportunities all over the field. couple of harmful drops and penalties.

Wharton just can't handle Abraham. never could.

Martin finding a way to give up a long touchdown once again.

Mare trying his best to flame out in a hurry

some really disappointing play from the secondary

i would peg this loss as something along the lines of 30% mental, 60% execution and 10% personnel issues. this game was more in the grasp of the panthers than any of the other giveaway games, IMO, and they still found a way to let it slip away. hard to say what Captain Munnerlyn's problems were in the 1st Falcons TD drive were, but the fact that he was lost more than once is the problem.

this game was a small step back to the likely reality that the Panthers are exactly as good as their crappy record. problems are correctable, but it doesn't really matter for this season.

[bleys]

defense that has too many limitations, only has narrow path to victory.

offense has a lot of pressure on it and could not seize the momentum back from stalled drives in the 3rd quarter.

no impact plays from ST or D after the safety.

cam's mechanics were as sloppy as they have been as a Panther in the 3rd quarter, resulting in several incompletions and 1 INT, the other INT being a panic move that you would hope can be eliminated pronto.

missed opportunities all over the field. couple of harmful drops and penalties.

Wharton just can't handle Abraham. never could.

Martin finding a way to give up a long touchdown once again.

Mare trying his best to flame out in a hurry

some really disappointing play from the secondary

i would peg this loss as something along the lines of 30% mental, 60% execution and 10% personnel issues. this game was more in the grasp of the panthers than any of the other giveaway games, IMO, and they still found a way to let it slip away. hard to say what Captain Munnerlyn's problems were in the 1st Falcons TD drive were, but the fact that he was lost more than once is the problem.

this game was a small step back to the likely reality that the Panthers are exactly as good as their crappy record. problems are correctable, but it doesn't really matter for this season.

let's just spare you this well thought out post and blame it all on playcalling..

it's easier, and we don't have to think as much.. or actually watch the game.

[Proudiddy]

Chud completely revamped the playcalling in the 3rd quarter.. which is why I sometimes have a hard time understanding why you come up with certain opinions...

"Chud never changes his playcalling, despite changing up his playcalling to settle down Cam"

I am a self-made victim of hyperbole... I'm saying Chud doesn't make adjustments specific to the opponent. He makes adjustments based on our lead and what Cam is doing from what we've seen.

Everytime we get a lead, we put it in neutral.

If Cam starts struggling, he starts calling more screens/runs but not until we've already dug ourselves a hole.

Tampa Bay was his best called game IMO because he didn't let up and eve with the run game he remained aggressive the whole game. I expected that today and he let off the gas once we got up, just like he's done 7 out of the 9 losses.

I can't explain to you what exactly is going on... none of us can, as we don't have the film, but we don't attack in the 2nd half, we react.

I'm getting hung up on the "he doesn't make adjustments" because he's still throwing in the 2nd half, but in the same token it looks like he's still trying to force plays downfield when they aren't there because the defenses are dropping more into coverage.

Everything the Falcons did after our last score suggests they were confident in stopping us because they figured out what we were doing.

I'm not an expert, but I'm knowledgeable and something is obviously amiss with our offense and Chud's strategy once we get a significant lead.

[KillerKat]

..because the female orgasm is mysterious

[CatMan72]

We shut it down and went conservative trying to protect a lead, couldn't flip the switch back on when we needed to... typical with a young team.

[grateflday]

I am going to end up repeating alot of what I have seen in different posts.... the Panthers can't close out teams and specifically this game and blow it in the secont half is because of - penalties, turnovers, execution AND -- PLAY CALLING!!!

I just dont and didnt understand the play calling in the second half and why it is so hard for this team to convert on 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 5, etc. First they kept trying to get the 1st down with little dunks, and what that didnt work they kept trying with deep passes..... what ever happened to using the TE's or looking for a pass right past the chains.

To really exemplifying my frustration with the above is that last drive when they gave up the ball on downs. It was 2nd and 5, 3rd and 5, and then 4th and 5 and everytime they went for the home run pass to the end zone. I get the pass to Olsen in the corner on 2nd down, but how about eventually just trying to get the first down instead of the deep pass every time. It was one guy in the flat and everybody else deep.

Oh well,,,,,,