Will Muschamp is targeting Mike Shula to replace Charlie Weis

[panthers55]

Listen Florida offensive coordinator is practically the biggest non college hc job in the country. I know you guys in north Carolina don't get to watch good college football but it's basically a ticket to every open top job after a year or two, unless you're completely incompetent like Charlie Weiss, and even he got Kansas.

Not true at all. Florida isn't even the biggest or best school in the SEC right now, Alabama is one of them and Shula was already the headcoach there for years. He didn't do very well so perhaps if he was trying to repair his resume he might want to go to Florida but that is hardly the best or only way to get back to head coaching if that is where he wants to go. Look at Weiss right now. He has OC experience in the NFL with the Chiefs and Patriots, headcoach experience at ND, and OC experience at Florida. Florida was only a resting spot waiting for a HC job to open up. It was hardly a building block. I wonder what got him the gig at Kansas State which is not exactly that prestigious or a top school in football right now. Somehow I doubt it was the Florida experience. In 2011, FLorida was 87th in passing rank, 75th in rushing yards, 72 in points for (offense) and 25th in points against (defense). They finiished 6-6 and 3-5 in conference. They were 0-5 againt top 25 teams. Weiss got the job in spite of Florida not because of it.

I think going to Florida could hurt Shula's career more than help it at this point. If it were a headcoaching job then maybe or if he felt that he no chance to move up in the NFL then he might want to go back to college. But this job is not that prestigious nor is Florida a great place to be right now. It might have been in the past, but not right now. Weiss parlayed his ND experience where he had a winning record and his NFL experience into the Kansas job not the Florida experience. In fact the Floida gig probably would have hurt rather than help except that Florida's rank in 2010 was 102. Obviously you must be remembering the past not the near present. Florida hasn't been relevant in a few years.

All the press I read is that Florida fans aren't too excited about Shula either. Tell me again why this would be a great place to go???

[mario]

@Andy_Staples Andy Staples

Told the Mike Shula for UF OC rumors are totally bogus.

Told the Mike Shula for UF OC rumors are totally bogus. Probably concocted to drive @edsbs insane.

— Andy Staples (@Andy_Staples)

December 10, 2011

[HeatCheck]

Hopefully that's true. Do not want.

[Proudiddy]

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greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel

Just got text from a big-time Florida source - hey, I got 'em - saying Mike Shula is a bad, bad, bad rumor. Drats!

[Donald LaFell]

Damn straight we don't need our coaches leaving.

[mav1234]

Just to add to this:

@pat_dooley Pat Dooley

Florida will not hire OC or strength coach until after bowl game. Mike Shula is not nor has been in picture. But there is name that will surprise you who is in the mix who is in the same vein as Weis. Story should be posted on http://Gatorsports.com soon

fyi on the "OC vs QB coach" debate, I'm pretty sure that depending on money and the desires of that particular person and the particular QB coaching position it's not always a step down. didn't oklahoma state's current OC turn down a QB coaching spot with an NFL team to take the job with oklahoma state? not sure, may be wrong, but I think

[edromeo]

Your entire point assumes he wants to be a head coach. You have no way of knowing that, except that you assume that's what every coach wants, when there's plenty of examples of the exact opposite.

Do you see why you're fuging stupid now?

I guess because you attempt to insult me it makes you right?

Seriously, grow up.

Career progression is not subjective.

An individual may desire to coach in college vs the pros and have valid reason i.e. stability, family time, money etc.

But that doesn't mean that the job they desire is further along the career progression path.

[Fiz]

Great so you're refuting your original statement. Now please start arguing with yourself and spare us your idiocy.

Also i think you're trying to type career progression isn't objective, not subjective, but at this point I think you might just be some computer program designed to mildly irritate me.

[edromeo]

Great so you're refuting your original statement. Now please start arguing with yourself and spare us your idiocy.

Also i think you're trying to type career progression isn't objective, not subjective, but at this point I think you might just be some computer program designed to mildly irritate me.

Ah, more insults.

Any person reading our posts can easily discern who's is right in our discussion.

They'll also be able to figure who is making a clown of themself.

Anyway, I'm not refuting anything and your point is still wrong.

BTW-You do understand what objective means, right?

[Ja Rhule]

There are two rules when you arguing with Fiz...

1. Do not argue with Fiz, always bad idea.

2. See rule #1

If Fiz and a woman got into argument, Fiz would win every time.

[Fiz]

edromeo please be so kind as to show me the consensus subjective career path as agreed upon by all coaches at the pro and college level, since that is what you implying it's objective would mean.

[Fiz]

like for example in the Panthers QB Coach v Florida OC

Who Gets Paid More: Florida OC

Who works fewer hours a week: Florida OC

Who has better career opportunities: Depends if you think being a QB for a 3rd tier NFL team means anything. Being a coordinator a florida means you have an SEC coaching gig after 2-3 years.

[edromeo]

edromeo please be so kind as to show me the consensus subjective career path as agreed upon by all coaches at the pro and college level, since that is what you implying it's objective would mean.

Actually no Fiz,

First off read what you wrote.

I clearly state:

Career progression is not subjective.An individual may desire to coach in college vs the pros and have valid reason i.e. stability, family time, money etc.

But that doesn't mean that the job they desire is further along the career progression path.

Notice the bolded, underlined, italicized where I clearly state career progression is not subjective?

So why would I attempt to show something I'm not saying?

But, in regard to career progression being objective.

Just look at any career progression matrix for any occupation.

There are tiers or levels.

These tiers are the same for everyone.

If position X is higher then position Y; position X puts further along that occupations career progression.

Even if you choose position Y by position X is still higher then position Y.

Follow?

[edromeo]

like for example in the Panthers QB Coach v Florida OC

Who Gets Paid More: Florida OC

Who works fewer hours a week: Florida OC

Who has better career opportunities: Depends if you think being a QB for a 3rd tier NFL team means anything. Being a coordinator a florida means you have an SEC coaching gig after 2-3 years.

Being paid more or working fewer hours has nothing to do with career progression.

Pay and work hours varry by advancement.

There are some unpaid jobs or low paying jobs in coaching that place one further along a coaching career path then paying jobs.

E.g.-A paid grad assist is behind the career progression on an unpaid NFL intern assistant coach/quality control.

An NFL QB coach has better opportunities then a college OC for several reasons.

3 of the most compelling reasons: NFL HC have been hired directly from QB coaching positions.

Can you say the same for college even 'SEC' OC's?-Didn't think so.

NFL OC's are regularly promoted from QB coach, how many college OC's make the jump directly to NFL OC?

Finally, exclusivity.

There are only 32 NFL QB coaching jobs in the world.