Numbers that should be retired...

[AKPantherFan]

I disagree, I think there are players deserving of this kind of recognition short of winning a championship or "transforming" a team.

Retiring a # is about individual contributions to the team - the Dolphins retired Dan Marino's number and he never brought them a championship.

......."transformed the teams identity".....

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

Mills should have definately been retired. The franchise wouldn't be the same today without the motto of "Keep pounding". The man set a level of determination in the defense that has yet to be matched.

Kasay deserves it simply by fault of being the only guy to spend his entire (significant) career here. Name ten players who's years in the league matched perfectly with a franchise's first years (in other words, ten players who started the same year the franchise started and retired while still a member of the same franchise)

Smitty's number should get retired only after he plays his last year, simply because he is the first legitimate superstar that the franchise has had. Since 2001, this team would have been nothing without him, especially in the postseason. You want to talk about changing the face of a frachise, there you go.

Other than that, there are very few players even worth the mention.

[frash.exe]

this is ridiculous.

20 years from now some young QB may come in and blow this franchise away, and create a "dynasty" of 1, 2, or even 3 SB wins.

Some "drop the hammer" safety may be drafted within the next few decades. He'd become the greatest safety in the game for his time, and certainly the greatest in Carolina history.

The fact that we have people here who are looking to retire career Panthers' #s within 20 years of existence show how juvenile this franchise really is. And I don't mean that to be insulting or facetious, I'm just saying a few years down the road and we'll have some people who WILL really make history for us, and help this team reach heights of which we've never seen (as a franchise)

At this rate the way we like to see players' #s retired who, really haven't been that consistent or game-changing or whatever, half of them will be unusable by 2020. Smitty is the closest of them all, but I don't even know if we should retire even his.

Retiring someone's # is supposed to be a real honor. A real distinction. I don't think anyone has reached that distinction, ...yet.

[AKPantherFan]

this is ridiculous.

20 years from now some young QB may come in and blow this franchise away, and create a "dynasty" of 1, 2, or even 3 SB wins.

Some "drop the hammer" safety may be drafted within the next few decades. He'd become the greatest safety in the game for his time, and certainly the greatest in Carolina history.

The fact that we have people here who are looking to retire career Panthers' #s within 20 years of existence show how juvenile this franchise really is. And I don't mean that to be insulting or facetious, I'm just saying a few years down the road and we'll have some people who WILL really make history for us, and help this team reach heights of which we've never seen (as a franchise)

At this rate the way we like to see players' #s retired who, really haven't been that consistent or game-changing or whatever, half of them will be unusable by 2020. Smitty is the closest of them all, but I don't even know if we should retire even his.

Retiring someone's # is supposed to be a real honor. A real distinction. I don't think anyone has reached that distinction, ...yet.

yup--

i say kasay because NO ONE else has done what he's done

lead the team in points for franchise history....

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

this is ridiculous.

20 years from now some young QB may come in and blow this franchise away, and create a "dynasty" of 1, 2, or even 3 SB wins.

Some "drop the hammer" safety may be drafted within the next few decades. He'd become the greatest safety in the game for his time, and certainly the greatest in Carolina history.

The fact that we have people here who are looking to retire career Panthers' #s within 20 years of existence show how juvenile this franchise really is. And I don't mean that to be insulting or facetious, I'm just saying a few years down the road and we'll have some people who WILL really make history for us, and help this team reach heights of which we've never seen (as a franchise)

At this rate the way we like to see players' #s retired who, really haven't been that consistent or game-changing or whatever, half of them will be unusable by 2020. Smitty is the closest of them all, but I don't even know if we should retire even his.

Retiring someone's # is supposed to be a real honor. A real distinction. I don't think anyone has reached that distinction, ...yet.

I hate to disagree with you, but I disagree with you. Look at the Patriots, a team that basically wallowed around for 41 years before some hotshot quaterback and mad scientist head coach came in and won three SBs. But look at the numbers they've retired. Most of them are from the 1960's and the 1970's. The team wasn't all that consistent then, for every winning season there was a loosing season the next year, and they were never really a threat in terms of championship games. But that doesn't matter. In the history of that franchise, those are the guys who built that team's legacy. So when your looking for numbers to retire, look in the first years of a franchise's history. Not to the hot new draft picks that might finally get it done for you, but to the guys who make up the foundation.

So yes, talking about which numbers are going to be retired is perfectly acceptable now. The guys that are playing now and in the past 13 seasons are the ones that will have their numbers hung up first, not the guys who come later.

For point of reference, the Patriots have seven numbers hung up, six of which are players who started their careers within the franchise's first fifteen years.

[Go To Girl]

I wonder why #51 is even mentioned in this thread because it HAS been retired. I was at the game where it was done - surely I can't be the only one who was. This is the second thread in the last few months that asked this same question and people were in that thread as well talking as if it hadn't.

Strikes me as strange.

[Kevin Greene]

I wonder why #51 is even mentioned in this thread because it HAS been retired. I was at the game where it was done - surely I can't be the only one who was. This is the second thread in the last few months that asked this same question and people were in that thread as well talking as if it hadn't.

Strikes me as strange.

Amen. /thread

[Cyclonus]

I wonder why #51 is even mentioned in this thread because it HAS been retired. I was at the game where it was done - surely I can't be the only one who was. This is the second thread in the last few months that asked this same question and people were in that thread as well talking as if it hadn't.

Strikes me as strange.

Yeah, I was there too. The redskins douche bag kicker was practicing field goals on the field while they were having the ceremony. Eventually someone chased him off the field. I could have choked the life out of him.

[Go To Girl]

I remember that as well

[frash.exe]

I hate to disagree with you, but I disagree with you. Look at the Patriots, a team that basically wallowed around for 41 years before some hotshot quaterback and mad scientist head coach came in and won three SBs. But look at the numbers they've retired. Most of them are from the 1960's and the 1970's. The team wasn't all that consistent then, for every winning season there was a loosing season the next year, and they were never really a threat in terms of championship games. But that doesn't matter. In the history of that franchise, those are the guys who built that team's legacy. So when your looking for numbers to retire, look in the first years of a franchise's history. Not to the hot new draft picks that might finally get it done for you, but to the guys who make up the foundation.

So yes, talking about which numbers are going to be retired is perfectly acceptable now. The guys that are playing now and in the past 13 seasons are the ones that will have their numbers hung up first, not the guys who come later.

For point of reference, the Patriots have seven numbers hung up, six of which are players who started their careers within the franchise's first fifteen years.

Yea, and it'll probably limit the number of #s retired from the Belichick era. Brady is the leading candidate for his jersey to be retired, but some guys like Tedy Bruschi, or Ty Law, Troy Brown, Lawyer Milloy, or Willie McGinest might not get that distinction themselves, despite the fact that all those guys have been with the Patriots for most or all of their careers and contributed a great deal to the franchise's success.

[AKPantherFan]

I hate to disagree with you, but I disagree with you. Look at the Patriots, a team that basically wallowed around for 41 years before some hotshot quaterback and mad scientist head coach came in and won three SBs. But look at the numbers they've retired. Most of them are from the 1960's and the 1970's. The team wasn't all that consistent then, for every winning season there was a loosing season the next year, and they were never really a threat in terms of championship games. But that doesn't matter. In the history of that franchise, those are the guys who built that team's legacy. So when your looking for numbers to retire, look in the first years of a franchise's history. Not to the hot new draft picks that might finally get it done for you, but to the guys who make up the foundation.

So yes, talking about which numbers are going to be retired is perfectly acceptable now. The guys that are playing now and in the past 13 seasons are the ones that will have their numbers hung up first, not the guys who come later.

For point of reference, the Patriots have seven numbers hung up, six of which are players who started their careers within the franchise's first fifteen years.

parcells had that team doing well...

we retire every "classy" panthers number, we will be out of them in 10 years.

Jake Delhomme wins a SB he will get his though.....:eek: