2004=2009?????

[Sam Mills Fan]

i'm guessing you weren't around here then?

i don't remember much of that but i do remember a lot of complaining about morgan being chosen over witherspoon...which wasn't a good idea.

we had to let one go and we chose poorly.

I've been coming to the Huddle since 2005 dear. And yes there was a good amount of complaining, but the majority of Huddlers were still praising Fox and Hurney for not crippling the team by overpaying for Spoon.

[Fiz]

The majority if people on the Huddle. They were blaming Spoon and accusing him of being a traitor lol.

well you're not arguing with the majority of people on the huddle, you're arguing with me, and if you know anything about me lumping me in with the majority here is disingenuous.

Actually....yes it is. He was very mediocre late in the season....around the time he got his extension IIRC.

i frankly disagree, but you aren't listening to reason anymore, and it's pointless to discuss since there isn't a really good statistical way to compare corners.

I think if the only person they kept was spoon then they would need a MLB and an OLB. Davis and Beason.

well, Spoon played MLB, and Beason was drafted because they knew they could move him inside after Morgan imploded. But you're right in that Davis would definitely be here because they drafted him in 05. my mistake.

I've been coming to the Huddle since 2005 dear. And yes there was a good amount of complaining, but the majority of Huddlers were still praising Fox and Hurney for not crippling the team by overpaying for Spoon.

talking about the huddle's opinion isn't even an appeal to authority; it's more like an appeal to the lowest common denominator.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Fiz, I don't argue every stupid point of yours because arguing with you and monstercat in particular is liking arguing with members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Fiz]

Fiz, I don't argue every stupid point of yours because arguing with you and monstercat in particular is liking arguing with members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

So you only argue with some of my stupid points?

Wow everyone get out from behind Sam Mills Fan don't want to get knocked over in the backpedal

[Sam Mills Fan]

well you're not arguing with the majority of people on the huddle, you're arguing with me, and if you know anything about me lumping me in with the majority here is disingenuous.

Sorry kiddo, but the post I was responding to specifically asked who had been saying that. So I answered.

[Fiz]

Sorry kiddo, but the post I was responding to specifically asked who had been saying that. So I answered.

sorry, i should have said "who was saying that that knows what they were talking about?"

also i don't remember a lot of huddlers saying that, but then again I seem to remember Chris Gamble performing well for the second half of the year after his extension. but 've only watched the 2008 season 4 times so maybe i missed something.

[The Link]

You two need to go into a boxing ring...

[Fox007]

They had to tag Peppers, so they knew what it was going to do to them when they did so.

Trying to blame Peppers for the Panthers lack of money is what's pointless.

His position may be softening about staying, but I wonder if that just includes playing for the 17 mil this one year and going through this all over again next year. He already turned down a huge contract, you think we would offer him more than we did already?

If anything it should be less, if in fact Peppers has found out his value isn't worth what he thought it was.

I mean really it is kind of hard to find a football player who wouldn't want to play anywhere(whether they want to be there or not) for 17mil on a 1 year deal.

Peppers would have already been signed to another team if we let him walk straight up, and all we would have is the 17 mil to spend on people who can't take his place anyway.

In the Panthers best interest they have to either keep him because he is irreplaceable or get something in return for him. Even if it means stifling themselves for one off season.

[bleys]

So the only players most of you geniuses would like to sign are young players with perfect attitudes with huge upsides at positions we're sorely lacking at that we can get extremely cheap? LOL

Don't ever become GMs then. You realize that players that fit all of the requirements that people like Fiz have generally don't exist right?

Sometimes it's good to take gambles on players. Stephen Davis was a washed-up has-been when we signed him. Kemo was thought to not fit in a 4-3 that well when we signed him and he's finally developed into being at least good. Moose was another old player last year when we signed him. Keydrick Vincent was almost on his way out of the league. I guess you didn't want us to sign those players too? OH WAIT, I actually remember people being very excited when we signed those players. Why? Because people blindly support whatever Fox/Hurney does. If they sign players with question marks like the ones I mentioned, they're geniuses. If they don't sign similar players in 2009, they're geniuses. They can do no wrong.

So what your saying is the exact opposite to what you claim you want us to accomplish?

You just told us the FO has somewhat of a clue that they are in the NFL and have brought in good players? When do you think most of those players were signed? Right after the playoffs? You just discredited everything you are posting in this thread, and just helped others see that the FO does have a clue. Thanks. Cause I almost had to post the same thing...

Otherwise, maybe the FO realizes those certain players this year that you want signed, aren't the same type of player that Vincent, Kemo, Davis, Lucas, etc have been. But that's not possible, SIGN SOMEONE DAMNIT! lol

my bad, the FO just can't do any wrong... Never mind the fact that this board was in an uproar after missing the playoffs 2 years in a row. I don't think you remember things the way they actually happen.

How about instead of just bitching, you provide us with your plan of action you would have laid out after the playoffs.... That would be nice. Otherwise, I think there have been a poo ton of posts to prove why that would be a horrible idea.

Its not about faith, its about attitude.

I pray we deal Pep, have a good draft day, and then sign some guys after the post draft cuts to fill holes.

We need to get motivated and active, if not this offseason will pass us by and we will be left wanting.

I am sure we will do some of the aboved mentioned, its just terrible watching our hands being tied because of the Peppers situation.

Worse case what happens?

We CANT deal Pep, he stays and we are cash strapped to even sign our draft picks.

Its all or nothing this offseason, and thats a bad place for ANY team to be in.

I think Fiz listed the top prospects below and answered this fairly accurately. It's posted below just to reiterate.

why would we sign another backup qb? we already have two promising ones on the roster.

it's pretty obvious pioli had an in with the patriots organization, and would you really be willing to give up what the chiefs did for someone who is pretty comparable to jake delhomme? do you really want a team with the best RB duo and arguably offensive line in the league to sign a QB that can't play under center?

with the first round pick the panthers didn't have?

still hasn't been signed by anyone.

still hasn't been signed by anyone

still hasn't been signed by anyone

lol

you mean to tell me WR is a big enough need that we should pay a 30 year old 40 million over 5 years?

33 and sucked last year

lol

16 mil is a lot for a backup DT

wanted to play in nyc

yet again, 42 million dollar player. do you have any concept of how salary caps work?

wouldn't even start

why spend that much money when they have a capable number 2 corner?

can barely walk

yeah why didn't we sign a 3-4 OLB

can barely walk

no one is pretending there is not. however, with all of the free agents you listed, the negatives outweigh the potential gains, they are not cost effective, they're old and got overpaid, or they just don't make any sense here at all. This isn't madden. schemes matter. players matter. size matters.

yeah, it's cool when your team signs someone and you get to go nuts talking about how he's the missing piece and that you're super bowl bound (see Dimbee or SaintJ) but it's irritating when low information fans throw a hissy fit about not doing anything. the organization can't do anything until they trade away peppers, and that will most likely not happen until the day of the draft.

speaking of which, there is the draft, then free agency after the draft, then another whole round of cuts for the panthers to pick and choose from.

don't get pissy because you don't understand the business of the nfl.

Uh, yeah, ditto to that as well as the one below... But Fiz will be ignored, but with no solid reasoning provided. Interesting isn't it?

Chris, come here. Sit down, have a seat. Yeah, listen, you've been great. Heart and soul of the secondary, call all the coverages back there, get in everyone's grill, have been nothing but a solid contributor. Most important we know all the players love you and respect you. You're the leader back there.

But listen, we got this guy from a different system who doesn't know any of the guys and even though his stats are almost completely comparable to yours we're going to bench you. sorry man, them the breaks. go practice gunning, we're going to need you on special teams.

DAWKINS, FTW!!!1211!121!

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And to all those saying the FO keeping Peppers around is hurting us in the draft. I don't believe that's accurate at all. We have enough cap space to sign these players as it is. Sure, we can't sign Haynesworth because of Pep. Damn. That sucks. Who else would we be signing, just to sign? And why would you want them signed?

Just saying, thats a false concern I keep hearing repeated over and over. If we keep Pep, so be it. Seems he wanted to stay if thats the case. =)

They had to tag Peppers, so they knew what it was going to do to them when they did so.

Trying to blame Peppers for the Panthers lack of money is what's pointless.

His position may be softening about staying, but I wonder if that just includes playing for the 17 mil this one year and going through this all over again next year. He already turned down a huge contract, you think we would offer him more than we did already?

If anything it should be less, if in fact Peppers has found out his value isn't worth what he thought it was.

I mean really it is kind of hard to find a football player who wouldn't want to play anywhere(whether they want to be there or not) for 17mil on a 1 year deal.

Peppers would have already been signed to another team if we let him walk straight up, and all we would have is the 17 mil to spend on people who can't take his place anyway.

In the Panthers best interest they have to either keep him because he is irreplaceable or get something in return for him. Even if it means stifling themselves for one off season.

:iagree:

[AKPantherFan]

no one is thinking about the POSSIBILITY of Peppers still signing a long term contract.

Its possible, not likely, but possible. If he does, we will have him and the cap space we need.

However, I would rather get some pics and the cap space. But thats me.

[bleys]

Fiz, I don't argue every stupid point of yours because arguing with you and monstercat in particular is liking arguing with members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Sorry to keep pickin' on ya, but perhaps the "stupid points" are hard for you to argue... Maybe it's not so much that you don't want to? I think they have raised solid points to explain their opinion, and yet you haven't? That would be hard...

[Doc Holiday]

the only relevance that 2004 has with 2009 is that both years started with 200 before either 4 or 9, other then that people people bitch every off season so that's not exclusive to 2004 or 2009.

[Fiz]

barring a trade into the top ten there isn't a defensive end they can get that can replace what peppers brings, regardless of how overrated julius is.

now they're saying that orakpo is going to cleveland. he was the only first round DE that could play in a 4-3. Brown is a 3-4 OLB.

the only reason i could think of for the panthers to want a first rounder this year is to reach on peria jerry, who frankly isn't that much better than someone like sen'derrick marks.

[Sam Mills Fan]

So what your saying is the exact opposite to what you claim you want us to accomplish?

You just told us the FO has somewhat of a clue that they are in the NFL and have brought in good players? When do you think most of those players were signed? Right after the playoffs? You just discredited everything you are posting in this thread, and just helped others see that the FO does have a clue. Thanks. Cause I almost had to post the same thing...

Kemo and Moose were early acquisitions. I admit I don't recall at what point in the offseason that Stephen Davis was signed. And Vincent was signed in the middle of the season.

So is that what you have to hang your hat on? Because we did decently with ONE guy that wasn't signed immediately, that should be the template for signing free agents?