Giving our defense excuses

[bleys]

Peppersmint may be one of the worst posters on this forum and there is a TON of competition running around here..

no offense, of course.. congrats. ;)

[Peppermint9030]

ok...problem here is that the ravens have been running the same system for how long?

of course it's going to be a lot easier for someone to step into a well established system and do ok. going back to teh Mike being the QB of the defense (which most thinking people would consider a fair comparison) look at the pats when brady went out for the year. they had a successful system in place that they had been running for years and a team full of talent, the majority of which had been around for a long time, that allowed them to go ahead and win 12(?) games that year.

very few teams can pull off something like that. missing a starting player on either side of the ball isn't something that teams can usually do without seeing a significant drop off. losing the QB or MLB (or whomever is the voice of the coaches and the established leader on the field) is even tougher.

for a team that is in the situation that the panthers are in where they have such a young team in a brand new system lacking key pieces (largely due to injury) you just can't expect them to some in and play as if nothing happened. ugh.

reading comprehension is not your strong suit, esp. when you're just running on emotion.

when did i say that losing beason was the main reason?

it's a major factor, just like all of the other things that happened.

yes, beason was starting last year and they were mediocre. we would have a winning record if we had a mediocre defense right now, which we don't because of all the things working against it this year.

no...coaching is not getting the best out of these guys. you want to know why? or is it just easier for you to throw out a simple but very incomplete and narrow-minded answer like "these guys just suck!!!!!".

if you want to know the real reason why...

young and relatively inexperienced team

+

brand new system

+

lack of offseason to prepare

+

key ingredients to the scheme missing (beason, TD, edwards) and replaced by inferior (and/or inexperienced @ DT) talent

=

underachieving defense and problems with the coaching staff getting the most out of their team.

again, the good thing is that most of those issues will be fixed heading into next year.

also, as has been pointed out, they have another year to add to the defense. they spent more resources upgrading the offense than defense because the offense needed the most work. this coming offseason they can/will fix the defense.

btw...i'm not going to address your assessment of charles johnson or chris gamble. i figure others will tear you up enough on that.

Really? I didn't know Rex Ryan was still the D cor in Baltimore they must still be running that scheme...O wait they have a 1st year D cor over there because the cor after Rex went to Michigan to coach...

Must be the players keeping the scheme in check...Too bad our player's can't do that.

[bleys]

Really? I didn't know Rex Ryan was still the D cor in Baltimore they must still be running that scheme...O wait they have a 1st year D cor over there because the cor after Rex went to Michigan to coach...

Must be the players keeping the scheme in check...Too bad our player's can't do that.

and this post solidifies that.. :lol:

you really don't understand that the Raven's D didn't switch drastically in scheme compared to the Panthers?

do you understand football at ALL?

[rayzor]

Really? I didn't know Rex Ryan was still the D cor in Baltimore they must still be running that scheme...O wait they have a 1st year D cor over there because the cor after Rex went to Michigan to coach...

Must be the players keeping the scheme in check...Too bad our player's can't do that.

yes. they are running the same defensive scheme. that didn't change when rex left.

[bleys]

truly baffling.. :lol:

[Peppermint9030]

ok...problem here is that the ravens have been running the same system for how long?

of course it's going to be a lot easier for someone to step into a well established system and do ok. going back to teh Mike being the QB of the defense (which most thinking people would consider a fair comparison) look at the pats when brady went out for the year. they had a successful system in place that they had been running for years and a team full of talent, the majority of which had been around for a long time, that allowed them to go ahead and win 12(?) games that year.

very few teams can pull off something like that. missing a starting player on either side of the ball isn't something that teams can usually do without seeing a significant drop off. losing the QB or MLB (or whomever is the voice of the coaches and the established leader on the field) is even tougher.

for a team that is in the situation that the panthers are in where they have such a young team in a brand new system lacking key pieces (largely due to injury) you just can't expect them to some in and play as if nothing happened. ugh.

reading comprehension is not your strong suit, esp. when you're just running on emotion.

when did i say that losing beason was the main reason?

it's a major factor, just like all of the other things that happened.

yes, beason was starting last year and they were mediocre. we would have a winning record if we had a mediocre defense right now, which we don't because of all the things working against it this year.

no...coaching is not getting the best out of these guys. you want to know why? or is it just easier for you to throw out a simple but very incomplete and narrow-minded answer like "these guys just suck!!!!!".

if you want to know the real reason why...

young and relatively inexperienced team

+

brand new system

+

lack of offseason to prepare

+

key ingredients to the scheme missing (beason, TD, edwards) and replaced by inferior (and/or inexperienced @ DT) talent

=

underachieving defense and problems with the coaching staff getting the most out of their team.

again, the good thing is that most of those issues will be fixed heading into next year.

also, as has been pointed out, they have another year to add to the defense. they spent more resources upgrading the offense than defense because the offense needed the most work. this coming offseason they can/will fix the defense.

btw...i'm not going to address your assessment of charles johnson or chris gamble. i figure others will tear you up enough on that.

Hey everyone let's take Rayzor's list of issues and mark them all as fixed next season because that's whats going to happen. Worst defense in Panthers history ain't going to fixed in one off season...

[rayzor]

worst offense in panthers history was pretty much fixed in one season with a shortened offseason.

why not the defense with a full offseason?

[Peppermint9030]

yes. they are running the same defensive scheme. that didn't change when rex left.

Correct me if i'm wrong but were not running a 4-3 with nickel mixed in?

[bleys]

Correct me if i'm wrong but were not running a 4-3 with nickel mixed in?

truly baffling.. :lol:

[bleys]

Correct me if i'm wrong but were not running a 4-3 with nickel mixed in?

clearly you don't understand the difference between a standard Cover 2 defense and a Zone blitzing defense..

and really, majority of people are wrong on that.. we've been playing a TON of man coverage..

[Peppermint9030]

worst offense in panthers history was pretty much fixed in one season with a shortened offseason.

why not the defense with a full offseason?

Rayzor I'm not gonna argue on a forum with you...Your right this is just a transition period...If we had any talent at all it could make the transition easier, but we don't...So give the young D a few years so they can just be bad rather then awful.

[bleys]

Rayzor I'm not gonna argue on a forum with you...Your right this is just a transition period...If we had any talent at all it could make the transition easier, but we don't...So give the young D a few years so they can just be bad rather then awful.

yes you are.. read through this thread..

Correct me if i'm wrong but were not running a 4-3 with nickel mixed in?

you have no clue what a cover 2 defense is do you?

[Peppermint9030]

yes you are.. read through this thread..

you have no clue what a cover 2 defense is do you?

You have no clue that you can run a cover 2 out of a 4-3 and nickel right? And the thread above was sarcasm.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

there are numerous factors they had working in their favor to turn around the offense so quickly that they won't have this upcoming offseason. i'm sure people could easily figure out what they are though sometimes I think people intentionally keep themselves uninformed so they can continue on being blindly optimistic