Cam hasn't taken a step back

[tiger7_88]

I think the reality is that Cam's game was very simplistic and teams have "figured him out"/

I think the real issue affecting Cam AND why he was so successful early on wasn't about Cam.. it was about Steve Smith.

Teams are controlling Smith which is showing where Cam really is. Without Smith carrying him at this point he's nothing special.

[carolinarolls]

Well the thing is that we all know that our D is weak and we knew that before TD and Beason went down for the year. Throwing an all caps fit about it now is just comical.

We know we are gonna give yards and points. We know we are only gonna win shootouts at this point. I mean, c'mon, our special teams is worse than our D. The only reason we don't start games in 4-down territory is because we have faith in our QB, Smitty, and the RB's. We are gonna race till the end and come up short most every week given the current situation. Face facts.

If you are complaining about the defense you are just plain ******* dumb. They are a weak point and not by just a little bit. Despite this fact, there are signs of life that I see every week. Not enough to make a unit yet but there are a few playmakers on the D that have earned a home here for a while.

At the same time, spitting out useless stats in the wake of a loss without taking into consideration what pressure the weak D is placing on the O from he Play-Calling on down the line is also quite ignorant.

Furthermore, pointing at wins and losses without understanding both of these things places you, as a fan, on the lowest rung of evolution.

[Proudiddy]

We ran a total of 26 times for 137 yards. BUt if you take out Newton yards and Williams 1 big run, we didn't run the ball all that great. Stewart ran 8 times for 22 yards- less than 3 yards a carry. Williams ran 10 times for 73 yards but if you take out the one 29 yard run he ran 9 times for 44 yards the rest of the game, not exactly dominant. So no, we were not so great running the ball that we should have done it 10 or 15 times more.

In the third quarter while we were up - we ran the ball 4 and passed 6. Even when we were down 1 point and then by 8- we ran the ball 10 times and threw 6 times. (check out the play by play). It wasn't until we were out of it by 14 points we went to throwing it exclusively.

So tell me again how bad the balance was in the second half while we were still in the game.

I wasn't just referring to the 2nd half, I was referring to when we were up in general, especially when we were up 17 points in the first half. Look at the first half play by play. When we were up 17-7, we passed three times, went 3 and out, punted, Detroit bailed us out with an illegal hands to the face penalty, then we ran twice for 30 some yards and Cam scored a TD. So they bailed us out and we went up 24-7. Without that penalty, those two runs, and TD doesn't happen.

Next possession we got the ball back with 2:57 left and passed every play but the two (ten passes, two runs), which is somewhat expected because of the time left and kicked a FG before halftime.

Also, I just went back and looked at the 3rd quarter... For the entire quarter, it broke down 8 runs, 9 passes. Sad part is, we ran the ball more after we gave up the lead then we did while we had the lead. That was also the start of run, run, pass... So you proved my point. 6 passes, 4 runs with the lead. 4 runs, 3 passes when behind. I mean balance relative to the circumstances - we were up, good balance would be 55-45 run, or 60-40 run, if possible.

We were still passing more than we were running.

Why did we start running MORE when we fell behind? Which brings me to my other points, Chud's playcalling once we take a lead is horrible and his run designs, aside from a few of the options where defenders miss assignments, are horrible as well.

Good luck getting more than 2 or 3 yards in a 1 TE 1 RB set with Olsen in as the blocker against Detroit's front.

And then in the 4th on the first possession, we ran twice for 12 yards, then threw 3 times (inc., sack, inc.) and had to punt. Good playcalling? lol...

Next posession, Detroit had taken a 35-27 lead...

4 runs and 2 passes later, we score. Remember, that 60-40 ratio? Where was this at earlier in the 2nd half? I'm sure they didn't come out in the 3rd quarter with 8 in the box, as we've shown we like to pass.

Next possession, Detroit scored again, 42-35.

Passed once, intercepted.

Detroit scores again...

We get the ball back with 2 mins left and pass 6 times until we are intercepted again.

The one time we ran more than we passed, we scored. We weren't down by more than 8 until 2 minutes were left in the game. So why were we passing 60-40 with a 2 score lead in the 3rd quarter again?

[Proudiddy]

OFFENSE ALONE DO NOT WIN FOOTBALL GAMES...STOP WITH THE CAM SHOULD HAVE...THE DEFENSE NEED TO STOP GIVING THE FUGGING GAME AWAY EVERY FUGGING WEEK...FACE THE FACT.

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT STATS. REALITY IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME EVERY SUNDAY. OFFENSE SCORES...DEFENSE GIVE BACK...OFFENSE SCORES BIG DEFENSE GIVES BACK...OFFENSE MESSES UP DEFENSE ALLOW OPPOSING TEAM TO SCORE...OFFENSE TRY TO GET SOMETHING HAPPENING EVEN WITH A FG...DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAM ACT LIKE THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE OTHER TEAM.

Some of u folks remind me of that parent who looks to everyone else to solve their kid's issues instead to dealing it the damn kid. PANTHERS NEED TO FIX THEIR FUGGING DENFENSE. IF OTHER TEAMS CAN THEN WHY CAN'T THEY?

I'm really starting to question your level of reading comprehension. Where in that post did I say "Cam should have..." That post was about the playcalling and gameplan. It had nothing to do with Cam's play.

[rippadonn]

If Cam Newton had a great Oline he would pick teams apart and have ProBowl if not historic numbers. The guy doesn't trust his line and is forcing a lot of balls and throwing high because of constant pressure and not being able to step into throws. Matt Stafford had all day to pick our secondary apart.

I beg to differ with those that say Cam has regressed. I would say the Oline is regressing fast and Cam has been pretty solid.

[chef17]

I'm really starting to question your level of reading comprehension. Where in that post did I say "Cam should have..." That post was about the playcalling and gameplan. It had nothing to do with Cam's play.

He is the ultimate Cam defender, defending him against stuff people aren't even saying.

[carolinarolls]

I think Cam has come a long way this year and is getting better. He is learning some very hard lessons this year and doing it with grace. He also looks like he is having some fun out there.

We have had two Heisman winning QB's come into rookie seasons where they were asked to do a lot with very little. Both played very good as rookies and most of the losses (both in the teens) were by low margins.

How much better do you feel about Cam than you did about Weinke?

regress my ass

[tiger7_88]

Cam has played slightly worse recently. I don't know if he has regressed but his accuracy hasn't been as great as it was at one point in the season - although he still throws some amazing balls.

I'm still worried about that MRI he had a couple of weeks ago. Not that I think he's injured, but I think its a good indication that his shoulder is sore.

Last year, in 14 games at Auburn, he threw the ball 280 times (20 attempts per game).

This year, in 10 games, he's thrown the ball 365 times (36.5 attempts per game).

That's one HELLUVA "rookie wall" to hit. I'm not saying for sure that is WHY he is missing high, but it sure as heck could be.

[TrueDat]

YPP means nothing when there are 4 picks in a shootout. I am placing no blame on Cam for the picks mind you, but in a YPP calculation where a turnover counts the same as a 0 yard run, you are fooling yourself if you think it matters.

And in a shootout, where possessions are at a premium, YPP means even less.

Does the 101 yard runback count in your YPP calc?

LOL.

1. Yes it does. It measures your total scoring offense.

2. And yes it calculates it.

3. Regardless of turnovers or field position, it always measures your actual offenses inefficiency.

[CPF4LIFE]

What does PFFL stand for?

[King Taharqa]

Plenty of Fear, Fantasy, and Lies.

[weymouthst]

Cam hasn't taken a step back, i agree.

There is also half a season worth of tape on fugging LA and Lafell, Olsen and Smitty. Its not like Lafell or LA have been lighting it up at all. Defense takes away our weapons, Cam is left there all alone.

Frustrating to see Cam not having time, or having to make bad throws. O line needs to run block better, pass block better. Cam needs a #2 WR that he can count on.

All these things put together makes a team that has the ability to win, but consistently loses.

[carolinarolls]

LOL.

1. Yes it does. It measures your total scoring offense.Please define YPP

2. And yes it calculates it.Exactly how does YPP account for a pick

3. Regardless of turnovers or field position, it always measures your actual offenses inefficiency.

Turnovers, field position, and the scoreboard determine the outcome of a game. Anyone who defends a stat and uses the words "regardless of" in front of any of these three has no business posting in this forum and should be immediately remanded to smack only.

[teeray]

LOL.

1. Yes it does. It measures your total scoring offense.

2. And yes it calculates it.

3. Regardless of turnovers or field position, it always measures your actual offenses inefficiency.

You have called it "offensive efficiency" over and over again ad nauseum. SO by your standard our offense was a top 2 team in the league in offensive efficiency.

Basically you have two choices. Either you think our offense was extremely efficient yesterday because they posted an 11.7 YPP or you have to admit YPP isn't an offensive efficiency stat.

Pretty simple. Which is it?