Cam hasn't taken a step back

[chef17]

Uhm....did the 5 TD's come by air?

Top pass defenses in the NFL:

5 Detroit Lions 10 21.9 219 214 354 60.5 35.4 1,928 192.8 per game

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Some of you don't look up nada or think. You just blabber. And the best one before this we faced was Titans and Redskins. We still have to face the Texans and they are ranked #1 in pass defense.

PS: Of course they've also played against the worst passing offenses in the NFL, so take that with a grain of salt. I always do. And so have the Texans.

So you say others don't look stuff up yet you can't look up that Stafford had 5 TDs :lol: And what does the Lions pass defense have to do with our defense?

[MadHatter]

I don't really think Cam has "regressed".

However, his accuracy on throws the past few weeks HAS been much worse than it was earlier in the season. He was throwing high and wide again....missing open WR's.

This is a normal progression in the development of a young QB. But, he has NOT played as well the last few weeks.

And YES....our defense is God Awful. There might be 3-4 guys on that defense that I actually want starting next year. The rest....not so much.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

So who is TrueDat an alt of?

Half of the users posting on this board right now are PFFL alts

[panthers55]

I didn't visit here yesterday hoping that all the ignorant ranting and whining would subside but unfortunately it didn't.

Cam didn't regress because every week is a brand new experience for him against new coordinators who he hasn't played against. So he will be given looks that will be completely new for him. So for him to regress he would have to play worse than he did against a team earlier. Since he has never played Detroit in Detroit how exactly could he possibly regress. Even when he plays division teams it will still be home and away scenarios. So lets shelve the ignorant regression talk until next year which is the first time it could even be relevant. If he throws for 400 yards against 1 team and 200 yards against another that is not regression, that is playing differently against 2 different defenses and coordinators.

As for him playing poor, that isn't really true either. He did some good things and put up points in the first half, had some good runs, some great screens and generally did what it took to gain a lead. Even in the fourth quarter he brought us back for a tying score which is exactly what people said he couldn't do. Anyone who thinks the last 2 interceptions were issues needs to understand football. Expecting him to rally twice in the fourth quarter and score again with 2 minutes on the clock is unrealistic at best. If the defense had even been ok in the second half we could have won this game. 35 points in 2 quarters has to be the worse defensive performance ever. I doubt anyone could have won this game for us let alone a rookie.

The lack of football acumen on this board put us in the same boat as Atlanta and the Saints boards which frankly is a bad thing.

[TrueDat]

So you say others don't look stuff up yet you can't look up that Stafford had 5 TDs :lol: And what does the Lions pass defense have to do with our defense?

I think you misread my post. I said the Lions, not us, had the 6th best pass defense in the NFL. I don't even know where ours ranked. That's why Cam looked bad. We faced a good pass defense.

And some of you still have this hard time getting the concept of points off turnovers and field position: 7.

Both teams blew it. Lions offense blew it in the first half. Ours blew it in the second. All defenses get scored on when you have that many turnovers or have to defend from bad field positions. There is a reason why each turnover is calculated to be 3.8 points at the 50 yard line. It's not some number they came up with. They took all points in the history of the NFL off turnovers and that's how many an average offense scores against an average defense. It's 4.5 if you turn it over in the end zone. So you should expect two high powered offenses to put up over 60 points when you have 7 turnovers and 2 scores from the special teams. You should expect 54 points just off the turnovers and special teams scores between the two teams. This is normal. It happens to just about every defense in the NFL when they face high powered offenses. When it doesn't happen, it's something out of the ordinary.

[Jangler]

I didn't visit here yesterday hoping that all the ignorant ranting and whining would subside but unfortunately it didn't.

it's going to be this way all week, just like last week. It will be a pick and choose post week...

The PFFL Posse will be in full force.

[chef17]

We could treat Cameron like Moore, and ask him to lean on an athlete to win. You know, make Jonathan Stewart the QB, make Reggie Bush the QB and leader. But who wants that? I dont want just a body who's only as good as the back hes handing off to. I want a QB, and we finally have that. A guy were grooming to stand on his own two that doesnt need a great running game just to look servicable.

:rofl: what? You mean Moore is leaning on Bush with his 50 rushing yards a game and 20 receiving yards a game? Yeah Bush is really carrying that team

[King Taharqa]

So who is TrueDat an alt of?

TRD. The others are PFFL aand his minions. The white knights of the KoolAid party I said would arise if we drafted Cameron. Theyre here to cause confusion and convince us how foolish we are to believe in a black person at QB. None of the other rookie QBs have this problem within their fanbase.

[chef17]

I think you misread my post. I said the Lions, not us, had the 6th best pass defense in the NFL. I don't even know where ours ranked. That's why Cam looked bad. We faced a good pass defense.

And some of you still have this hard time getting the concept of points off turnovers and field position: 7.

Both teams blew it. Lions offense blew it in the first half. Ours blew it in the second. All defenses get scored on when you have that many turnovers or have to defend from bad field positions. There is a reason why each turnover is calculated to be 3.8 points at the 50 yard line. It's not some number they came up with. They took all points in the history of the NFL off turnovers and that's how many an average offense scores against an average defense. It's 4.5 if you turn it over in the end zone. So you should expect two high powered offenses to put up over 60 points when you have 7 turnovers and 2 scores from the special teams. You should expect 54 points just off the turnovers and special teams scores between the two teams. This is normal. It happens to just about every defense in the NFL when they face high powered offenses. When it doesn't happen, it's something out of the ordinary.

You are correct, I read it as you saying our defense played it's best against the pass all season. My bad

[grateflday]

I agree that Cam has not taken a step back. The biggest difference between this bad season and those of the recent past, is I am able to at least grin and bear this one because of Cam. Is he perfect... no, did he play great yesterday.... no. He has been missing wr's and throwing high for a couple of games now, the offense has issues of stalling and he definately has areas to improve on. That being said the Panther franchise is finally set at the QB position. Its the rest of the team that needs to be upgraded big time.

[Proudiddy]

TRD. The others are PFFL aand his minions. The white knights of the KoolAid party I said would arise if we drafted Cameron. Theyre here to cause confusion and convince us how foolish we are to believe in a black person at QB. None of the other rookie QBs have this problem within their fanbase.

Sadly, you're right KT. Even in the Jake/Weinke debates, we did not have this many trolls or alts. It really is sad.

[King Taharqa]

:rofl: what? You mean Moore is leaning on Bush with his 50 rushing yards a game and 20 receiving yards a game? Yeah Bush is really carrying that team

Look at Bush and their backs production the past several games. Matt needing to lean on athletes to be servicable is a big reason hes never played 16 games. I dont think hes capable. And that is what TRD wanted us to build around and invest in long term. LMAO.

[N1kkadeemuz]

Seriously this isn't hard to figure out. Cam would not have thrown 4 int's yesterday for one reason and one reason alone. If our defense could have bottled up Detroit all and I mean all the pressure wouldn't have fell on the rookie QB.

Cam Newton is by far the most dynamic QB the Panthers have ever had. How many times in franchise history did any one of them throw for 400 in back to back weeks? How many times did the entire weight of the team get thrusted onto the back of one single player?

Take your Fuggin blinders off and realize that without a defense, this TEAM will not win games, and not even poor Cam Newton can fix that.

[X-Clown]

TRD. The others are PFFL aand his minions. The white knights of the KoolAid party I said would arise if we drafted Cameron. Theyre here to cause confusion and convince us how foolish we are to believe in a black person at QB. None of the other rookie QBs have this problem within their fanbase.

Nah, Truedat is PFFL. Notice the random bolding of words and walls of text. TRD wouldn't put that much effort into his posts. PFFL has seriously created over 20 usernames for the board (and counting).