Cam hasn't taken a step back

[TrueDat]

yarh he said this:

While one would be correct in saying something like, "The Patriots are not scoring as efficiently as the 49ers," plenty of people would flat out disagree if someone took the leap to say, "The Patriots offense is not as good as the 49ers offense." There's a big difference there. S'all any of us have ever tried to say.

Is this one of those "the Lions scored 0 points off of Cam's interception but our defense didn't do anything" type comments?

I'm about expended in trying to combat that kind of logic.

[CRA]

Is this one of those "the Lions scored 0 points off of Cam's interception but our defense didn't do anything" type comments?

I'm about expended in trying to combat that kind of logic.

anytime someone takes the arguement that our defense and special teams isn't utter dog poo........it is painfully obvious actual logic isn't being tapped into.

Donald Brown will look like a Pro Bowler on Sunday....and that will have nothing to do w/ our offense.

[TrueDat]

I am not going to go through this charade again with PFFL. There are several reasons why our YPP ranking is so bad ..................

EDIT: Proceeds to display he has no understanding of the most important stat in NFL football: scoring points.

.............................in my opinion it isn't an accurate reflectional or your "QB offensive unit" and therefore isn't an offensive efficiency model.

Come again?

[Brandon]

Why do you keep saying stupid poo about things you do not understand?

I take it you're an expert on football then?

[SevenSixes]

Cam's not regressing as fast as Matt Moore is getting better.

LOLZ!

Yea, it's not that funny..

[TrueDat]

I take it you're an expert on football then?

Hardly, but I'm 100% certain when it comes to football stats and what they mean and how to use them, I'm better than you.

[panthers55]

I am not going to go through this charade again with PFFL. There are several reasons why our YPP ranking is so bad and I have given numerous examples of such. I view it as a team efficiency stat. If a guy cannot see how a defense that ranks dead last in yards per drive, TDs per drive, points per drive, punts forced (31st), and three and outs doesn't effect offensive YPP in an extreme manner I can't help them.

You will never understand that a punt is more punitive for our YPP than a team like the NYJ because of our defense is so porous that even if our offense flips the field we likely will still get pinned back again because our defense is giving up 37.17 yards per drive (worst in the league) or get the ball on the 20 after a score. Especially since our offense is amongst the best in the league in Yards per drive and Offensive Success Rate (three and outs). Our offense being good in those areas actually hurts our YPP because our defense is so pooty and has a hard time keeping field position when we flip it.

It isn't just one thing. It is a conglomerate of things that add up and eventually devastate your YPP. When you suck at defense and your special teams is bad, your YPP is going to be destroyed.

And nobody ever said our offense was perfect. We have turn the ball over too much (especially the last two games) and we have had long drives that haven't ended in points either by way of missed field goals or missed opportunities late in the game.

It is a conglomerate of every facet of the game. That is been my point of this entire argument form day one. It isn't offensive efficiency because it is heavily influenced by all three facets of the game.

And I think YPP is a good stat and generally a good measure of team success. Teams with goof YPP are generally very successful. That is because they are performing at a high level as a team. But great offenses can mask average defenses and great defenses can mask average offenses (see NYJ or Chicago) when it comes to YPP.

So in my opinion it isn't an accurate reflectional or your "QB offensive unit" and therefore isn't an offensive efficiency model.

Why keep beating the dead horse. Those on the board who have had the stomach to follow the thread know you are dead on and he doesn't have a clue. His numbers are sometimes correct but his interpretations are way off base which makes his conclusions wrong and his stats useless. You and I both know it isn't just the numbers that matter but how you interpret them. Like when he said our offensive efficiency wasn't affected by the defenses we faced but only by our own offense. That is ridiculous at face value and no spinning the numbers and statistical gyrations would convince anyone who knows a grain about football that your offensive production isn't directly related to who you are playing and their defense.

Then we get another ignorant statement that PPG is not better than YPP because half the points are accounted for by the other offense. I don't know how the PPG scored by our offense has anything to do with how many points the other offense scores. If he is talking about total points in a game, who cares about that or tries to do anything with it. The only way that matters is in over and under discussions or if you have more than they do at the end of the game and that is points for versus points against. The logical lapses are ridiculous making the whole jist of his arguments unsound.

Feel free to go on and on if you must but honestly the whole YPP argument is pretty lame to start with and his interpretation of it and shoddy conclusions only make it more useless. You can't win with someone who changes the argument and goes down bunny trails and puts up red herring arguments all the time and repeats himself without considering new information. It is a broken record better turned off or ignored.

[panthers55]

Hardly, but I'm 100% certain when it comes to football stats and what they mean and how to use them, I'm better than you.

That makes one of you or maybe more given all the alts. No you are a legend in your own mind and a troll to the rest of us.

[Brandon]

Hardly, but I'm 100% certain when it comes to football stats and what they mean and how to use them, I'm better than you.

So you think a manufactured stat can be a metric for an offense?

[TrueDat]

Why keep beating the dead horse. Those on the board who have had the stomach to follow the thread know you are dead on and he doesn't have a clue. His numbers are sometimes correct but his interpretations are way off base which makes his conclusions wrong and his stats useless. You and I both know it isn't just the numbers that matter but how you interpret them. Like when he said our offensive efficiency wasn't affected by the defenses we faced but only by our own offense. That is ridiculous at face value and no spinning the numbers and statistical gyrations would convince anyone who knows a grain about football that your offensive production isn't directly related to who you are playing and their defense.

Then we get another ignorant statement that PPG is not better than YPP because half the points are accounted for by the other offense. I don't know how the PPG scored by our offense has anything to do with how many points the other offense scores. If he is talking about total points in a game, who cares about that or tries to do anything with it. The only way that matters is in over and under discussions or if you have more than they do at the end of the game and that is points for versus points against. The logical lapses are ridiculous making the whole jist of his arguments unsound.

Feel free to go on and on if you must but honestly the whole YPP argument is pretty lame to start with and his interpretation of it and shoddy conclusions only make it more useless. You can't win with someone who changes the argument and goes down bunny trails and puts up red herring arguments all the time and repeats himself without considering new information. It is a broken record better turned off or ignored.

:rofl:

Scoring only matters in over/under discussions?

I tell you what. How about I just turn my head the other way and when Teeray and this entire place starts using what I brought up on a consistent basis, you guys can just pretend again I wasn't right.

Deal? Just as long as the stupidity stops.

[panthers55]

:rofl:

Scoring only matters in over/under discussions?

I tell you what. How about I just turn my head the other way and when Teeray and this entire place starts using what I brought up on a consistent basis, you guys can just pretend again I wasn't right.

Deal? Just as long as the stupidity stops.

Not what was said as usual and taking things out of context like always. That is why I am not wasting time with you. It just brings me down to your level and frankly I don't want to argue with a troll. Your opinion matters nothing to me or anyone on this board. Why not find somewhere else where people actually care about what you think. To keep coming back here only to get ridiculed seems to be an exercise in masochism or stupidity. Take your pick.

[teeray]

Why not find somewhere else where people actually care about what you think. To keep coming back here only to get ridiculed seems to be an exercise in masochism or stupidity. Take your pick.

Because he can't get anyone to play with him at pantherstalk.com :lol:

[AceMan]

A bunch of pointless numbers nobody cares about. I wish you would stop making threads.

^^The irony of this comment :rolleyes:

[CRA]

Hardly, but I'm 100% certain when it comes to football stats and what they mean and how to use them, I'm better than you.

you can twist stats to make any argument. That goes beyond football......doesn't make you right. Eyeball test is more accurate when it comes to football often....reading your posts someone would question whether you actually do that.