Cam hasn't taken a step back

[TrueDat]

The author Kerry Byrn is the publisher from CHFF (Cold Hard Football Facts). What doesn he have to say about YPP?? Lets find out:

He even said in your article:

So even he knows that it is a team stat.

Dude are seriously that ignorant?

Yes I read it, I am the one posting it for you to read it and stop being so ignorant when everyone can see it says TWO stats: I can read and understand where it says it plain as day there are two separate measurements, one for offensive efficiency and one for your defense's efficiency or better defined as: opponent's offensive efficiency against your defense.

I do read and understand that. Why can't you? How many times have we been over this already? Why do you keep going back to the same stupid topic when it's clearly saying it's a team stat separated into offense and defense.

Every stat in the NFL is a team stat or did you not know that either? Yards gained, yards allowed. points scored. points allowed. This one is no different. offensive efficiency, offensive efficiency allowed. They are all team stats separated into two: offense and defense. What are you trying to say?

Please help me help you.

[Jangler]

I will say this one time and I'm out. As Teeray just told you,. YPP is a team efficiency score not an offensive stat. All three phases of the game are included. Points for versus points against does the same thing except it doesn't cloud the water with yards which doesn't matter.

If your record is 10-6, that is all that matters. Who gives a crap whether you got more yards than a team that went 12-4 or less than one that went 8-8.

The only people who care are bored stat rats and gamblers. No player and coach ever talk about YPP. Because to them it doesn't matter. What do fans care about? Whether they won or lost.

The "they" is actually you. Why not go on a stat site where people care about your trolling crap. It is wasted here and annoying as well.

[teeray]

Dude are seriously that ignorant?

Yes I read it, I am the one posting it for you to read it and stop being so ignorant when everyone can see it says TWO stats: I can read and understand where it says it plain as day there are two separate measurements, one for offensive efficiency and one for your defense's efficiency or better defined as: opponent's offensive efficiency against your defense.

I do read and understand that. Why can't you? How many times have we been over this already? Why do you keep going back to the same stupid topic when it's clearly saying it's a team stat separated into offense and defense.

Every stat in the NFL is a team stat or did you not know that either? Yards gained, yards allowed. points scored. points allowed. This one is no different. offensive efficiency, offensive efficiency allowed. They are all team stats separated into two: offense and defense. What are you trying to say?

Please help me help you.

Ummm... maybe you just can't read too good. That was talking about scoreability index (OYPP), not bendability index (DYPP). He was exclusively discussing offensive YPP when he said that.

I clearly states that "Remember, the Scoreability Index is not merely an offensive indicator! It is a team-wide measurement of ability to turn yards into points."

Again do you think our offense was amongst the most efficient in the league against Detroit? If not then you admit YPP is not an offensive efficiency stat.

And I had read that article long before you posted it.

[TrueDat]

I will say this one time and I'm out. As Teeray just told you,. YPP is a team efficiency score not an offensive stat. All three phases of the game are included. Points for versus points against does the same thing except it doesn't cloud the water with yards which doesn't matter.

If your record is 10-6, that is all that matters. Who gives a crap whether you got more yards than a team that went 12-4 or less than one that went 8-8.

The only people who care are bored stat rats and gamblers. No player and coach ever talk about YPP. Because to them it doesn't matter. What do fans care about? Whether they won or lost.

The "they" is actually you. Why not go on a stat site where people care about your trolling crap. It is wasted here and annoying as well.

Except that it clearly states it's separated into two, offense and defense just like all other team stats and you are both wrong and being ignorant in-your-face about it. It says it plain as clear: offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency. And like I told him, all stats are team stats separated into two: offense and defense. So I have no idea what you keep trying to say other than the fact you don't want to admit you're wrong.

And listen dude, just because not everybody's such an ignorant idiot, it doesn't make them a troll. When you call people trolls and they back what they are saying up, that doesn't mean they are a troll, alright? Be a man and admit you were wrong. You ask me for proof, I give you proof and you don't even have the decency to apologize. That doesn't mean I'm a troll. That's another word you have no idea what it means.

PS: Every coach knows about efficiency. That's why you are not one and probably never will be, but you like to talk like you know what you're talking about while calling others trolls.

[(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻]

Some of the mods are openly sympathetic to these trolls and their cause so it shouldnt surprise the freedoms and rights they enjoy on this board even after being banned.

Considering the fact that you are the king of trolls, you have zero right to talk about how bannings should be handled.

[teeray]

Except that it clearly states it's separated into two, offense and defense

Yes there are two stats for offense and defense. The quotes I provided were discussing OYPP or "scoreability index" exclusively.

And for someone who has called me a hack, ignorant, dumbass, fraud etc. I don't think you should be so self righteous about how people are talking about you.

[teeray]

I have been asking this question for literally 24 hours and haven't gotten a response from PFFL/Truedat.

This past week Carolina was 7th in the NFL in YPP. PFFL/Truedat, easy yes or no question, do you think our offense was top ten in offensive efficiency this past week. Not scoring efficiency. As I have said from the beginning scoring efficiency =/= offensive efficiency. I mean offensive efficiency. Do you think we were a top 10 efficient team last week against the Lions??

Since I probably won't get a response I will use a response you had from earlier:

-An offense that doesn't drive down the length of the field until the 4th quarter after they stumbled all game long is not a good offensive performance.

-Being in the red-zone 3 times in the first half, and only coming up with 10 points is not good. By anyone's measure. You might as well kick 3 FG's from the 35 yard line. You get 9 points when you do that. 10 points off of 3 trips to the red-zone is a failure in one half. 10 points off of 4 is even worse when you count the third quarter interception.

-Getting 2 three and outs, and putting your defense in a position to defend from our own red-zone, followed by an interception in the opponent's red-zone in the third quarter is not a good offensive performance. It's part of what makes for a blown lead.

-throwing 3 interceptions in the last 18 minutes of the game when the game is tied or down by one score is NOT a good offensive performance.

-when your quarterback has a rating of 50.0 and 4 interceptions, and the offense has 3 three and outs, that never makes for a good offensive performance. It's one of the worst.

SO please rectify your response to the fact that we were ranked 7th in YPP. If it was one of the worst like you said. How can the YPP be so high if it is an offensive efficiency stat??

I think this says it all doesn't it?? I accept your apology. ;)

[PharmDeez9]

Zod,

First off, that's a bad ass picture (ha, get it?) but you are right man he is a rookie, he is being thrown into an AWFUL situation sometimes. The Lions scored 5 TDs that game. We handled Stafford early, but a good QB will adjust to what he is doing wrong. We just didn't adjust accordingly.

Everyone,

REAL ISSUES: Williams ran 10 times for 73 yards...why did he not run more?! This was the same thing that happened when we had Jake Delhomme playing against the cardinals in the playoffs. First drive, we ran the ball all over Arizona. Then the douche Jake decided to start throwing the ball. Why? BAD COACHING.

BAD COACHING: We have commited more penalties than ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. Where is RIVERA?!!?!?!? We need to get on just discipline for our players.

I'm more afraid of Steve Smith leaving. He still has a few years in him and I love watching that man play. It was upsetting enough for me to watch my Tarheel Julius Peppers go to a handicap team like the Bears. We make receivers happy by giving them the damn ball. NO MATTER WHAT. He is a star on our team and we need to put the ball in his hands. Even if we have to have a Percy Harvin style offense and put him in the backfield and RUN A TRIPLE OPTION WITH CAM AND DEANGELO/STEWART.

Thoughts?

This is my first post on a thread...ever...be gentle

Much Love

PharmD

[TrueDat]

Ummm... maybe you just can't read too good. That was talking about scoreability index (OYPP), not bendability index (DYPP). He was exclusively discussing offensive YPP when he said that.

I clearly states that "Remember, the Scoreability Index is not merely an offensive indicator! It is a team-wide measurement of ability to turn yards into points."

Again do you think our offense was amongst the most efficient in the league against Detroit? If not then you admit YPP is not an offensive efficiency stat.

And I had read that article long before you posted it.

First. It really requires no further explanation because everyone knows what the word offense means! All they're saying is this measures all the parts of your true offense: offense, special teams offense, punting unit, PAT unit, FG unit, and anyone on the defensive side that happens to score a point(because they too are a part of your offense for that one drive when they advance the ball and score). It's what I have been telling you for a month.

Simple put: TOTAL. SCORING. OFFENSE. You don't get that, do you?

All that means is do not make the mistake of using this stat as a measurement of your defense, and you should not: ever. It only measures offensive efficiency and the second stat, your opponent's true total offense against your defense

This is where amateurs like yourself get confused. When you talk "TOTAL OFFENSE(YPG)" which is what you are used to hearing, you are only talking about total yards gained by your QB's offensive unit. It's 1 unit, the most important one, but there's more than 1 offensive unit in a team's true total offense, isn't there? A team's true total offense is made up of more than just your QB's unit, no?

That's not actually your total offense, is it? So when "they" say "total offense' they actually mean "total yards" by your quarterbacks offensive unit. It doesn't say anything about your special teams offense, or FG unit, or anyone else that plays offense for your team.

In fact, your offensive yards from scrimmage and your special teams yards are actually your total offense's yards, right? And so are points, right? Those are actually more important than YPG of one unit, are they not?

And that's why yards per point is so important. It measures the scoring ability and efficiency of your true total scoring offense. And it does that precisely by not adding in the yards from scrimmage, special teams yards, which is what you keep complaining about. There's a really good explanation for it, but if you can't understand the difference between "total yards gained" by your QB's offensive unit, and what a team's actual true offense is, there is no way in hell you will EVER be able to understand YPP in your lifetime or how to use NFL statistics.

There are a lot of damn different football terms that mean different things not what people "believe", "assume" or have been "led to believe" they mean by TV! That's what I'm trying to explain to you. You have been brainwashed like most people.

[dimbee]

Some of the mods are openly sympathetic to these trolls and their cause so it shouldnt surprise the freedoms and rights they enjoy on this board even after being banned. For the sake of balance we need to keep these trolls around to counter all this Newtonmania. I mean we dont want the people on this board feeling like they have to support and rally behind their QB to be Panther fans. If only we could get these trolls to keep suggesting we bring in Mike Vick over and over then wed know theyd be eradicated permanently.

*puts on Matt Forte jersey and sips Yohoo*

"Now quit yer bitchin! Just because they create 25 alts to say the QB sucks doesnt mean they arent Panther fans! Listen to em goddamit! If everybody up here loved Cam Newton personally I think itd suck"

:lol:

U mad bro?

[teeray]

First. It really requires no further explanation because everyone knows what the word offense means! All they're saying is this measures all the parts of your true offense: offense, special teams offense, punting unit, PAT unit, FG unit, and anyone on the defensive side that happens to score a point(because they too are a part of your offense for that one drive when they advance the ball and score). It's what I have been telling you for a month.

Simple put: TOTAL. SCORING. OFFENSE. You don't get that, do you?

All that means is do not make the mistake of using this stat as a measurement of your defense, and you should not: ever. It only measures offensive efficiency and the second stat, your opponent's true total offense against your defense

This is where amateurs like yourself get confused. When you talk "TOTAL OFFENSE(YPG)" which is what you are used to hearing, you are only talking about total yards gained by your QB's offensive unit. It's 1 unit, the most important one, but there's more than 1 offensive unit in a team's true total offense, isn't there? A team's true total offense is made up of more than just your QB's unit, no?

That's not actually your total offense, is it? So when "they" say "total offense' they actually mean "total yards" by your quarterbacks offensive unit. It doesn't say anything about your special teams offense, or FG unit, or anyone else that plays offense for your team.

In fact, your offensive yards from scrimmage and your special teams yards are actually your total offense's yards, right? And so are points, right? Those are actually more important than YPG of one unit, are they not?

And that's why yards per point is so important. It measures the scoring ability and efficiency of your true total scoring offense. And it does that precisely by not adding in the yards from scrimmage, special teams yards, which is what you keep complaining about. There's a really good explanation for it, but if you can't understand the difference between "total yards gained" by your QB's offensive unit, and what a team's actual true offense is, there is no way in hell you will EVER be able to understand YPP in your lifetime or how to use NFL statistics.

There are a lot of damn different football terms that mean different things not what people "believe", "assume" or have been "led to believe" they mean by TV! That's what I'm trying to explain to you. You have been brainwashed like most people.

You still don't understand what he is saying. But that is okay.

Until you answer my question about the Lions game which you claimed our offense was "one of the worst" in the league and still posted an 11.7 YPP which would put us second in the NFL you don't have much credibility and neither does YPP.

So now I am a dumbass, a fraud, ignorant, and an amateur. :lol: Anything else you want to call me?? But please, whine about how others talk to you again. :nonod:

[TrueDat]

I have been asking this question for literally 24 hours and haven't gotten a response from PFFL/Truedat.

This past week Carolina was 7th in the NFL in YPP. PFFL/Truedat, easy yes or no question, do you think our offense was top ten in offensive efficiency this past week. Not scoring efficiency. As I have said from the beginning scoring efficiency =/= offensive efficiency. I mean offensive efficiency. Do you think we were a top 10 efficient team last week against the Lions??

Since I probably won't get a response I will use a response you had from earlier:

SO please rectify your response to the fact that we were ranked 7th in YPP. If it was one of the worst like you said. How can the YPP be so high if it is an offensive efficiency stat??

I think this says it all doesn't it?? I accept your apology. ;)

There is a reason why I didn't respond last time. Read my last post and if you still don't get it, I didn't respond because yesterday I wrote this to help you understand because you said you wanted to get your head wrapped around it. It's you Teeray. It's you that do not understand and I did all that mainly for you. So please go read.

You keep saying YPP is not a measurement of our total scoring offense efficiency, when it's exactly what it is, and exactly what it measures: Carolina was ranked 7th in total offense scoring efficiency(all of the units that contributed to scoring including special teams, defensive takeaways as well as field position amounted to this ranking)

It doesn't mean what you still think it does. It never did, and never will! This is why I continue to repeat you do not understand yards per point, you do not understand the terms "total offense", "total scoring offense" "total scoring offense efficiency".

Your freaking definitions of offense, total offense and your belief of what ypp measures are wrong. Go ask an NFL referee! It's the equivalent of you calling a FG a touchdown and a touchdown a FG saying a touchdown isn't a score, and 6 points isn't the point value of a touchdown. You have it all screwed up. And how do you expect someone to agree with you when you keep saying stupid things like this?

You can also read my last post and if you still don't get so figure it out and then come back and define for me very clearly the following:

offense

total offense

scoring offense efficiency, or scoring offense efficiency. Let me see you understand what offensive units those include.

and then tell me what yards per point measures.

So when you learn yards per point, and offensive efficiency and how it works and what it means, I will be expecting an apology from you for arguing with me for so many weeks instead of learning. Don't say I didn't take my time.

[Carl Spackler]

total offense scoring offensive efficiency per point game yardage efficiency against the defense's offensive efficiency is the true way to tell who knows football and who doesn't! Everyone knows that!

[mav1234]

so PFFL, you would say that yesterday our offense was only slightly less efficient than Green Bay has been on average all season? Was it in the top 10 in efficiency this week or not?

Do you think that top 10 in scoring efficiency was a bad performance?