Does anyone know why Peppers won't sign his tender?

[Sandy Claws]

You mean kinda like Ken Lucas had no say in where he went????? All Pepper has to do is refuse to do a deal with the new club and its over, no trade. Same thing happened with Lucas he refused to extend his deal with the Lions, so No trade.

The statement was that "the trade would not be binding". That is NOT TRUE. The trade could still be made if the other team was willing to absorb the risk, exactly like Lucas. In that case, the Lions were not willing to accept the risk that he was being serious about sitting. Once Peppers signs that contract, we could trade him to any team willing to take a chance. If he decided to play in 2009, it would be for whichever team held that contract.

[PuntJake]

denver has a lot of picks available and needs defensive help.

i feel he is going nowhere. next year teams are allowed 2 franchise tags so looks like he might get tagged the rest of his career. which wouldn't be a bad idea. guarentees a top salary and also gives him a year to year contract that would be easy to get out of at the end of any season. heck, if i was him, i'd stay and refuse a long term deal and take the franchise tag every season.

[CatMan72]

More likely scenario. Peppers' agent isn't really an agent. He has one client and really has no idea what he is doing. No one wants to negotiate with him since he has no credibility in the league. Belichek knows that the only way a deal will get done is if the GMs talk who know this business rather than Pepper's agent who is largely clueless.

Bottom line is that Carey can come back with any offer they want, Peppers will still have to sign the tender before talks can begin. Marty can still change the terms or renege if he wants once the tender is signed and trade him somewhere else. The Panthers won't listen to conditions in order to sign the tender since they will reserve the right to walk if things don't work out. After all they haven't had substantial talks but will relying on an agent they know little to nothing about. So in essence Peppers will have no more control than if he signs the tender now. What it does mean is that nothing is getting done and likely won't.

Not true, because Peppers can refuse to sign a long-term contract with the team Marty picks and that will kill the trade. Under the CBA, a non-exclusive tag means Peppers can go out and get an offer sheet from another team at which point the Panthers have the right to match that offer or be compensated with 2 1st round draft picks. I realize it seldomly plays out this way, but Peppers has allot of control over where he ends up.

Personally I don't think the market is as good for Peppers as he thought it would be. I think teams have a hard time forgetting about that 2.5 sack season. I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but Peppers right now looks like a guy that played hard in Carolina last year as an audition for another team, the classic contract year behavior. Other teams are worried that 2.5 sack guy is gonna re-emerge as soon as the ink on his new contract has dried.

I also don't think the Panthers have any intention of trading Peppers unless an offer comes along that blows them away. Every noise this team has made thus far says they're keeping him from Hurney's proclomation that the asking price was 2 1st round picks (which he knows he won't get) to Fox's reminder that he's not making that much more than he did last year.

[CatMan72]

denver has a lot of picks available and needs defensive help.

i feel he is going nowhere. next year teams are allowed 2 franchise tags so looks like he might get tagged the rest of his career. which wouldn't be a bad idea. guarentees a top salary and also gives him a year to year contract that would be easy to get out of at the end of any season. heck, if i was him, i'd stay and refuse a long term deal and take the franchise tag every season.

But you can only tag a guy twice.

[carpanfan96]

But you can only tag a guy twice.

you can tag a guy as much as you want, the percentage just goes up. See Walter Jones for Seattle. They tagged him three years in a row.

[panthers55]

Not true, because Peppers can refuse to sign a long-term contract with the team Marty picks and that will kill the trade. Under the CBA, a non-exclusive tag means Peppers can go out and get an offer sheet from another team at which point the Panthers have the right to match that offer or be compensated with 2 1st round draft picks. I realize it seldomly plays out this way, but Peppers has allot of control over where he ends up.

Personally I don't think the market is as good for Peppers as he thought it would be. I think teams have a hard time forgetting about that 2.5 sack season. I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but Peppers right now looks like a guy that played hard in Carolina last year as an audition for another team, the classic contract year behavior. Other teams are worried that 2.5 sack guy is gonna re-emerge as soon as the ink on his new contract has dried.

I also don't think the Panthers have any intention of trading Peppers unless an offer comes along that blows them away. Every noise this team has made thus far says they're keeping him from Hurney's proclomation that the asking price was 2 1st round picks (which he knows he won't get) to Fox's reminder that he's not making that much more than he did last year.

At first you say he has lots of control and then essentially say what I have said in countless threads. Are you being argumentative or prefer technicalities.

If someone makes him an offer sheet unless there is a poison pill we could gladly match it and keep him. We control where he goes in that scenario. If there is a poison pill we will gladly take the 2 1sts and not care where he goes. The premise is that if that were the case, it would have already happened which it hasn't. So the next thing is the negotiations for less than 2 1sts and that is where Peppers would have to sign his tender in order for negotiations to ensure. And that is where the only power he will have is to refuse the deal. But if a team wants him bad enough they might take the tender risk but I highly doubt it. So if he refuses, he would play for us and that seems fine with the Panthers. So he can likely stop a deal to a crappy team but he ends up back here and if he really wants out than he is not controlling it anymore.

You and SF are talking technicalities and the rest of us are talking probabilities.

[Sandy Claws]

But you can only tag a guy twice.

Tagging a player more than twice gets expensive but can be done. Rather than the average of the top 5 salaries at the position a 20% increase in salary (whichever is more), the tender for a thrice tagged player is 120% of the average of the top 5 salaries at the position or a 44% increase in prior year salary. In a salary capped world, a team likely couldn't afford that.

[Sandy Claws]

Not true, because Peppers can refuse to sign a long-term contract with the team Marty picks and that will kill the trade.

Peppers refusal to sign a long term contract might could stymie a deal, but it isn't an automatic deal breaker unless it's stated condition of the trade. Some team with a PILE of cap room might decide to gamble that they could convince him to go for a long term deal after they got him into their organization. There are a few teams out there that seem to serve up that certain flavor of Kool-aid that gets players to give up salary for cap space or turn down more money in other places.

[Jangler]

Welp. To answer the question.

He's a glass bowl.

Did I quote that right?

[Sandy Claws]

You and SF are talking technicalities and the rest of us are talking probabilities.

But some "probabilities" being discussed are not possibilities because of technicalities, just as some possibilities are being discounted as inprobablilities because of other technicalities.

[SMACKDAB]

I heard he wouldn't sign because his agent told him he would have to go through all the STD testing again.