Does anyone know why Peppers won't sign his tender?

[carpanfan96]

some of you are overreacting, and this thread is turning into a headache.

the panthers don't want to, nor do they need to trade peppers. with no first round draft pick to sign, the salary cap increase, and the cuts and adjustments they've already made, the panthers have more than enough room to sign their draft picks.

peppers will not have a down season. in fact, i expect him to play better than ever...keep in mind the possibility of a cap free season in 2010.

which flows right in line with my theory...

peppers has no intention of signing a long term deal with anyone. the thought of cashing in on a cap free season is just too much to pass up.

Good theory considering his not really an agent Carl Carey.

Two Points, I think the deal we offered him either A. Didn't have enough Guaranteed money in it or B. it had a poison pill in it that he and Carey didn't like.

I also think that Jerry calling him out hurt Peppers stance and feelings on the team, Considering that he probably already had problems with the defensive scheme and/ or maybe coaches.... Not a good thing, Probably a big reason as to why he didn't sign the deal then which lead to the point where at now.

[carolinarolls]

Good theory considering his not really an agent Carl Carey.

Two Points, I think the deal we offered him either A. Didn't have enough Guaranteed money in it or B. it had a poison pill in it that he and Carey didn't like.

I also think that Jerry calling him out hurt Peppers stance and feelings on the team, Considering that he probably already had problems with the defensive scheme and/ or maybe coaches.... Not a good thing, Probably a big reason as to why he didn't sign the deal then which lead to the point where at now.

Maybe. Impossible to tell any of that. But it is a different way to look at it.

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after thinking more about it, that theory does not make me feel any better about the situation. It's plausible but if that were the case you would think the guy would sign the tender and take the guaranteed money with no poison pill right now.

I think he wants out. He has said as much and has never been one for drama or attention. I have to believe him. As much as I want it to be a game and him come back I have to take him at his word and actions.

[X-Clown]

did the right thing

what has been right about it so far?

He does not want to be here or he would have taken the money after that dismal season. If you did not see the writing on the wall then you can't read. He THINKS he does not fit here..PERIOD.

How in the hell are you going to convince him that he does when money doesn't work?

You can't. Keeping him helps nobody. We are not going to get what we want for him. He is not going to give them control.

We did this to ourselves. Him asking out should have been enough. We do not own him. If we did there would be no tender to need signing.

The point which one again you've missed is that it is a business. For the Panthers to let a star get his way under the current rules and structure of the league just to be "considerate" to him is a joke. Do you think it works that way with other successful franchises? It's really ironic given that many folks around here say that we are not committed to winning and also for all the criticism Fox/Hurney get for hanging on to veterans longer than people feel like they should out of a sense of loyalty to them (what you've been posting about Jake Delhomme ad nauseum for example), that they would be criticized for protecting the team's and fan's interests in trying to get some kind of value for Peppers.

[Sloth]

did the right thing

what has been right about it so far?

He does not want to be here or he would have taken the money after that dismal season. If you did not see the writing on the wall then you can't read. He THINKS he does not fit here..PERIOD.

If he disagrees with the position he's in or the team's stance, he needs to take it up with the player's union, who agreed on the conditions of a franchise tender.

How in the hell are you going to convince him that he does when money doesn't work?

You can't. Keeping him helps nobody. We are not going to get what we want for him. He is not going to give them control.

He's not going to get what he wants, either. He doesn't get to skip away if the team decides to use the franchise tender on him. I'm not a big fan of his, but keeping him for another year is better than the alternative, which is a starting duo of Brayton and Johnson. If he wants to pout and underacheive, BOTH he AND the team lose money. The guy is in a perpetual contract year right now, there's a pretty good chance he plays well. Again, if he's upset about the situation he's in, he needs to take it up with his union rep.

We'll have the money to sign our draft picks whether Peppers stays or goes. Bank on it.

We did this to ourselves. Him asking out should have been enough. We do not own him. If we did there would be no tender to need signing.

Haha, what? So the team should just let him walk, someone they drafted as a cornerstone, just because? The team is using the rules and conditions the players agreed to. We're not doing anything bad, shady, immoral, or whatever crap word you were dancing around there. The team is a business and is protecting themselves.

Bottom line, if he wants out badly enough, he'll sign and the team will start shopping him. Otherwise, he most-likely stays and we get roughly a 10-12 sack year out of him. I'm fine with that, and I bet the team is too.

[carolinarolls]

The point which one again you've missed is that it is a business. For the Panthers to let a star get his way under the current rules and structure of the league just to be "considerate" to him is a joke. Do you think it works that way with other successful franchises? It's really ironic given that many folks around here say that we are not committed to winning and also for all the criticism Fox/Hurney get for hanging on to veterans longer than people feel like they should out of a sense of loyalty to them (what you've been posting about Jake Delhomme ad nauseum for example), that they would be criticized for protecting the team's and fan's interests in trying to get some kind of value for Peppers.

maybe the whole inconsiderate thing has thrown you. That word was use to demonstrate the possible feelings a random player would have if he had to see peppers strap up avery game in Charlotte after fulfilling his contract and wanting out.

The consideration comes in when there was a lack of it. When peppers was tagged they did not consider the ramifications. The only thing they were committed to saving is face and that is what makes the entire office weak IMO.

Now their only hope is to paint him as some kind of felon, robbing their poor franchise of its ability to compete. I guarantee you will hear the "Peppers situation" used as a crutch at least once before this is over. And nobody will stop to say "hey marty didn't your dumb ass CREATE the peppers situation?"

[cptx]

we can't do anything about that until he signs his tender. He refuses to do so.

you ever tried signing one? I wouldnt know where to start.

[CatMan72]

It's real simple:

Panthers can't (formally) discuss Peppers with other teams until he signs the tender. Peppers agent is talking with other teams about Peppers right now. Peppers agent doesn't want to grant the Panthers the power to discuss his client with other teams because they could undermine/interfere with his ability to get Peppers what he wants. His agent wants to force teams to deal with him on his terms.

Belichek doesn't want to go through his agent, but that doesn't mean other teams won't.

[panthers55]

55 knows that we are all tied up in a bad way since Pep hasn't signed and is holding off indefinitely. All the "we're not worried, we don't need cap room, we would have worked on so-and-so sooner" BS is just that, BS.

The key is to be rid of your problems early and make yourself available for any happenings foreseen and unforeseen when they present themselves. Standing pat loses in this league. every team needs to grow every year. Who gives a poo what Darin Gantt says?

We got greedy and it bit us in the ass. Oh, excuse me...is STILL biting us in the ass.

Crolls made an emotional ill-conceived comment a few weeks ago saying that we should have let Peppers walk for no compensation because we need the cap room and aren't moving fast enough for Croll's liking. He will continue to drone on over and over regardless of the eventual outcome. When we either keep Peppers or get appropriate compensation for him in a trade Crolls will continue to say it was still a bad deal making up reasons why we didn't do enough in free agency. All along he will be hoping that we get screwed over by peppers so he can be right. Why? Because he cares more about being right than he does the Panthers.

Sad really.

[panthers55]

It's real simple:

Panthers can't (formally) discuss Peppers with other teams until he signs the tender. Peppers agent is talking with other teams about Peppers right now. Peppers agent doesn't want to grant the Panthers the power to discuss his client with other teams because they could undermine/interfere with his ability to get Peppers what he wants. His agent wants to force teams to deal with him on his terms.

Belichek doesn't want to go through his agent, but that doesn't mean other teams won't.

More likely scenario. Peppers' agent isn't really an agent. He has one client and really has no idea what he is doing. No one wants to negotiate with him since he has no credibility in the league. Belichek knows that the only way a deal will get done is if the GMs talk who know this business rather than Pepper's agent who is largely clueless.

Bottom line is that Carey can come back with any offer they want, Peppers will still have to sign the tender before talks can begin. Marty can still change the terms or renege if he wants once the tender is signed and trade him somewhere else. The Panthers won't listen to conditions in order to sign the tender since they will reserve the right to walk if things don't work out. After all they haven't had substantial talks but will relying on an agent they know little to nothing about. So in essence Peppers will have no more control than if he signs the tender now. What it does mean is that nothing is getting done and likely won't.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

It's real simple:

Panthers can't (formally) discuss Peppers with other teams until he signs the tender. Peppers agent is talking with other teams about Peppers right now. Peppers agent doesn't want to grant the Panthers the power to discuss his client with other teams because they could undermine/interfere with his ability to get Peppers what he wants. His agent wants to force teams to deal with him on his terms.

Belichek doesn't want to go through his agent, but that doesn't mean other teams won't.

this sounds good, but 2 first round picks is what the panthers want for peppers...that means they aren't willing to entertain deals for him.

[mountainpantherfan]

The reason I believe Peppers hasn't signed his tender yet is because the Panthers have no intension of trading him. If that is the case and Pepper's and his agent have found out no team is willing to give up the two 1st to sign him away then Peppers would be smart to continue to hold off until at least after the draft.

I also belive that this dedication to keeping Peppers at all costs combined with his teammates may be turning Pepper's opinion on staying with the Panthers.

Personally, I don't think he is worth the money and have said so long before this offseason. AK Panther and I got bashed often for saying the team should have traded him back in 07. But I was also willing to give Peppers praise this season at some points for level of play this past season. Now with the Meeks hiring, I feel that Peppers may actually be able to finally live up that the potentiel that both he and the fans placed on him and I would not be agaisnt him signing long term. I would still not be thrilled about the amount of money we would be paying him but with him being able to play the DE position more of the way of Freeny in Indy I think Peppers could have those sack numbers that would make his pay logical.

[Montsta]

maybe Meeks talked to Pep and said, "I know you think Fox and Trgo are crap, but give me a chance, and make $17M while doing it. You still dont like it, leave next year in an uncapped situation and go make $20M per year playing somewhere else." Coulda happened...

[AKPantherFan]

FACT: Julius Peppers has not signed his $16.68 million tender offer.

FACT: Peppers does not want to play with the Panthers next year.

FACT: We cannot trade Peppers until he signs his tender nor can we discuss with any other teams the possibility of trading him.

FACT: Peppers said in early January about the Panthers, "I don’t want to leave them crippled or in a bad situation."

So Peppers wants out, but we can't do anything about that until he signs his tender. He refuses to do so.

CONCLUSION: Julius Peppers is a lying bitch that apparently DOES want to cripple the Panthers.

Comments?

I was thinking about this today. You would think that if the FO was trying to actively get him to sign and he wont, that it would leak out.

So I think there is a mutual idea to have this all set up for Draft day.

Now the 3-4 Broncos have 3 1st round draft pics (1 of them is next years) and an extra 3rd.....

something to consider.

how bout a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Peppers

[Nu Guns]

No news on Peppers from himself or his agent? No suprise, Peppers has said what like two words to the press since hes been here. Maybe the reason he hasnt signed yet , is because of some unknown illness??