Does anyone know why Peppers won't sign his tender?

[rayzor]

well at first i didn't understand what you were saying. i read it as "why would peppers sign a trade that is in his best interests."

anyway, why it is in his best interests:

he is having the world handed to him by the panthers.

he is really wanted and valued moreso than anywhere else apparently.

the $17 mil is more this coming year than he would get anywhere else.

he will have more teams willing to talk trade if they have the panthers involved. he can say no to any of the trades.

he is going to go nowhere unless he gets something done.

someone his age can't afford to sit a season and if he did at this point it would be his fault.

panthers aren't going to cave. the only way peppers is going to play next year is if he signs that tender and either goes as a result of a trade or stays here. he can work out a deal like haynesworth did last year to help him achieve his goals but that is only depending on him working with the organization. it is in his best interest, considering the situation as it is, to do so.

[panthers55]

Okay.....if this has not defined everything about this than what is it?? The Nick Hayden re-signing? We cannot proceed with anything until Peppers has signed this tender...

The Panthers cap room is tied up, No money for even draft picks as of today..so yes this is defining the off season for us to date.

That assumes we would be active in free agency and can't because of Peppers. If we wanted cap room we could have freed up plenty before now but we haven't? Why not? Why did we wait on Lucas for weeks if we were so in a hurry to get cap room. Wouldn't we have started on jake sooner if we were worried?

I believe that they have had every intention of keeping Peppers unless they get exactly what they want. Everyone associated with the team with supposed inside knowledge has said that. Gantt said back in the beginning tha the team would look pretty the same as last year and they would be spending very liitle. Their big signings which were Gross and Gamble already occured. With no first round pick we don't need that much cap space.

So he is not holding anyone back. They are proceeding according to plan. They expect him to be back and are working on freeing up cap from other sources. If the peppers deal gets done it will just mean they have to be more active in free agency to try and replace him. I expect them to be planning for all contingencies.

But to assume this is holding them back is not entirely true. It probably is limiting what they want to do but it is a prison of their own design and choosing.

[carolinarolls]

he would not bring 17 mil if he walked. he is not going to risk getting shipped to the bottom bedcause he is only leaving because he wants to win and play a position where he feels he can help win. He is not going to sign the tender until every avenue is exhausted trying to do it on his own. He has guaranteed money coming if he signs it on the cutoff day. Why is he in a hurry.

He probably knows that the Panthers could get something done faster but the fact that they tagged him shows him that they are only worried about themselves and not him so why help them out now.

There is not one good reason for Julius to sign the tender today or anytime soon.

[carolinarolls]

55 knows that we are all tied up in a bad way since Pep hasn't signed and is holding off indefinitely. All the "we're not worried, we don't need cap room, we would have worked on so-and-so sooner" BS is just that, BS.

The key is to be rid of your problems early and make yourself available for any happenings foreseen and unforeseen when they present themselves. Standing pat loses in this league. every team needs to grow every year. Who gives a poo what Darin Gantt says?

We got greedy and it bit us in the ass. Oh, excuse me...is STILL biting us in the ass.

[Mr. Scot]

FACT: Pep and his agent want to have COMPLETE control over where he ends up, and he loses that the day he signs...

Pretty much.

[carpanfan96]

We knew what was going to happen coming into this off season. Pep only counts 2 million more this year then he did last season, big jump there. They extend Delhomme they save around 5 million on the season, plenty enough money to sign our draft picks.

Reason why Julius Peppers should sign his tender with us.....Because he doesn't really have a real Agent.....Carolina isn't giving him up for anything less then a first plus, so his decision now is to either sign here and play, don't sign his tender, don't get paid and pretty much ruin his career, or hope someone is willing to give that up for him.

We can just tag him again next year with no cap and he can keep sitting, then he's a 32 year old free agent DE who hasn't played Football in two years.

He signs that Tag now and it gets the Panther's FO involved in the trade talk and makes him getting traded much more likely. The only good thing Peppers and Carey have done of late is STFU when after they were told to by everyone.

[carolinarolls]

We knew what was going to happen coming into this off season. Pep only counts 2 million more this year then he did last season, big jump there. They extend Delhomme they save around 5 million on the season, plenty enough money to sign our draft picks.

Reason why Julius Peppers should sign his tender with us.....Because he doesn't really have a real Agent.....Carolina isn't giving him up for anything less then a first plus, so his decision now is to either sign here and play, don't sign his tender, don't get paid and pretty much ruin his career, or hope someone is willing to give that up for him.

We can just tag him again next year with no cap and he can keep sitting, then he's a 32 year old free agent DE who hasn't played Football in two years.

He signs that Tag now and it gets the Panther's FO involved in the trade talk and makes him getting traded much more likely. The only good thing Peppers and Carey have done of late is STFU when after they were told to by everyone.

I hear your argument and I am afraid that Peppers does not see it that way. I doubt he has faith in the Panthers making decisions for him and I doubt he feels his career will be over if he sits a year. The problem is that he WON'T sit a year. he'll sign right before the cutoff and we'll get ho-hum performance out of him for 17 million dollars. He won't audition, He CAN'T audition in a John Fox defense. he'll be dropped into coverage too much to audition.

The real problem will not be his lackluster play, it will be his potential cancer in the locker room. everyone will know what happened this summer and everyone will know how inconsiderate the Panther FO is to players who fill their obligations and ask out. It will be a negative.

...and marty hurney asked for it.

[MrBubba]

He's agent has convinced him that not signing gives him more power. Makes sthe Panthers sweat and gives him the chance to come up with the perfect trade.

That said he should sign the tender if he really wants to be traded. After signing the Panthers could work the phones and line up a trade with direct talks. Peppers has little to worry that the Panthers would trade him to detroit, won't happen. No team is going to give up draft picks for a player like Peppers without a new contract in place. All Peppers has to do is refuse to sign a longterm deal with any team he doesn't like.

[carpanfan96]

I hear your argument and I am afraid that Peppers does not see it that way. I doubt he has faith in the Panthers making decisions for him and I doubt he feels his career will be over if he sits a year. The problem is that he WON'T sit a year. he'll sign right before the cutoff and we'll get ho-hum performance out of him for 17 million dollars. He won't audition, He CAN'T audition in a John Fox defense. he'll be dropped into coverage too much to audition.

The real problem will not be his lackluster play, it will be his potential cancer in the locker room. everyone will know what happened this summer and everyone will know how inconsiderate the Panther FO is to players who fill their obligations and ask out. It will be a negative.

...and marty hurney asked for it.

It happens all the time, It's not Inconsiderate it's how the NFL works. The Players know this, they expect this stuff to happen. Walter Jones for Seattle a while back was tagged over and over till he signed a deal with Seattle, they refused to let him go...... Briggs with the Bears (I never will play another snap for the bears again, I want to be traded) Tagged and the bears refused to trade him and he signed a deal with them latter on.....

Happens all the time and the players know it's part of the business side of the NFL.

[carolinarolls]

It happens all the time, It's not Inconsiderate it's how the NFL works. The Players know this, they expect this stuff to happen. Walter Jones for Seattle a while back was tagged over and over till he signed a deal with Seattle, they refused to let him go...... Briggs with the Bears (I never will play another snap for the bears again, I want to be traded) Tagged and the bears refused to trade him and he signed a deal with them latter on.....

Happens all the time and the players know it's part of the business side of the NFL.

hey I realize the truth here I do. I don't have a problem with the rule personally. It's a pretty dumb rule but I don't hate it. I just think that it should never have come into play here.

We cannot get anything for him, we cannot talk to anybody about him, we will have to potentially pay him 17 bigg ones whether he is a stud or not, we have no clue where we might draft, we are not a player in anything that pops up, and we have no diea when this may end.

the worst part is that we asked for it. We put ourselves here. We had a choice and it would have been a very hard one and we would have taken grief over it but it would be over now and we would know what we were dealing with.

Right now, not only can we not see our opponents' cards, we can't even see all the ones we are playing with.

[X-Clown]

lol at that "inconsiderate" front office offering Peppers the highest paid defensive player's contract even after an awful 2007 season. I guess the front office is also inconsiderate for retaining Fox and not switching to a 3-4 defense to accomodate Peppers' desires. I'm sure that if the Panthers let Peppers walk and their defensive line underperforms and we miss the playoffs, that fans like Crolls wouldn't complain about it and demand a new coaching staff and a GM...that since they "did the right thing" that they would be allowed to keep their jobs instead of running the franchise like it is, a business.

[carolinarolls]

lol at that "inconsiderate" front office offering Peppers the highest paid defensive player's contract even after an awful 2007 season. I guess the front office is also inconsiderate for retaining Fox and not switching to a 3-4 defense to accomodate Peppers' desires. I'm sure that if the Panthers let Peppers walk and their defensive line underperforms and we miss the playoffs, that fans like Crolls wouldn't complain about it and demand a new coaching staff and a GM...that since they "did the right thing" that they would be allowed to keep their jobs instead of running the franchise like it is, a business.

did the right thing

what has been right about it so far?

He does not want to be here or he would have taken the money after that dismal season. If you did not see the writing on the wall then you can't read. He THINKS he does not fit here..PERIOD.

How in the hell are you going to convince him that he does when money doesn't work?

You can't. Keeping him helps nobody. We are not going to get what we want for him. He is not going to give them control.

We did this to ourselves. Him asking out should have been enough. We do not own him. If we did there would be no tender to need signing.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

some of you are overreacting, and this thread is turning into a headache.

the panthers don't want to, nor do they need to trade peppers. with no first round draft pick to sign, the salary cap increase, and the cuts and adjustments they've already made, the panthers have more than enough room to sign their draft picks.

peppers will not have a down season. in fact, i expect him to play better than ever...keep in mind the possibility of a cap free season in 2010.

which flows right in line with my theory...

peppers has no intention of signing a long term deal with anyone. the thought of cashing in on a cap free season is just too much to pass up.

[carolinarolls]

some of you are overreacting, and this thread is turning into a headache.

the panthers don't want to, nor do they need to trade peppers. with no first round draft pick to sign, the salary cap increase, and the cuts and adjustments they've already made, the panthers have more than enough room to sign their draft picks.

peppers will not have a down season. in fact, i expect him to play better than ever...keep in mind the possibility of a cap free season in 2010.

which flows right in line with my theory...

peppers had no intention of signing a long term deal with anyone. the thought of cashing in on a cap free season is just too much to pass up.

very good theory. haven't heard that one. i hope you are right. It's kinda weird that a player scheming to get to an uncapped season without a contract in place is not generating more offers though. And the whole scheme seems a little over the top but I guess it could happen.