DAMN YOU CAM NEWTON!! (for allowing the lions to score 7 TDs)

[TrueDat]

I think it was pretty clear that Detroit could score touchdowns from any starting point on the field, therefore an interception is exactly the same as a punt.

Except they didn't. They got 14 off turnovers and good field position and 7 from special teams: 21 points. Our offense only scored 10 points not counting turnovers or great field position. Why the do you expect our defense to stop scores from happening when we turn over the ball in the red-zone but you don't expect the offense to score when our defense gets them turnovers in red zone?

First quarter:

Turnover #1. Lions have ball at their own 17. Intercepted. Huge win by Carolina defense. Lions Blow it.

Carolina gets ball at Lions 27. Points scored? 0 .

Turnover #2. Cam Newton intercepted in Lions red-zone. Total failure by Cam Newton. Lions drive to Car 25

Turnover#3. Lions have ball at Car 25. Intercepted. Huge win by Carolina Defense. Lions blow it.

Carolina gets ball at Car 18. Drive to Lions 12 yard line. Score 3 points. Failure by offense.

Turnover#3 Lions have ball at their own 29. Fumble. Huge win by Carolina defense. Lions Blow it.

Carolina gets ball at own 29. Touchdown. Good job by Carolina offense.

offense:

-scored 10 points all off turnovers from our defense.

-missed ~10 points off of turnovers when had the ball in the red-zone.

Defense gave up: 0

-Cam Newton intercepted in Lions red-zone

-Stafford intercepted in our red red-zone

Who played better? Carolina defense. Carolina offense stunk. Lions offense stunk. Lions defense played ok. Cam Newton stunk. Stafford stunk.

Second quarter:

-Lions score 7 points from special teams

-Carolina score 7 points from special teams

Lions first possession. Carolina defense forces 3 and out. Forces punt. Big win by defense.

Carolina offense 1st down at 48 yard line. Scores 7. Good job offense.

-Lions drive full field score touchdown. Bad job defense.

-Carolina drives full field score 3 points. Ok job offense.

Who played better? Lions offense. Everyone else about tied.

First half recap:

Carolina offense from full drives: 3 points.

Carolina offense from turnovers: 10

Carolina special teams: 7

Carolina offense from mid-field: 7

Carolina missed 10 points on turnovers.

Cam Newton threw interception in Lions red-zone.

Lions special teams: 7

Lions points from full drives: 7

Carolina defense:

-3 turnovers that led to 10 points( 2 turnovers near opponents red-zone)

-3 and out that led to mid-field starting position

Lions defense:

-1 interception

Special teams tied.

Carolina defense outplayed Lions defense the entire first half.

Cam Newton blew 2 red-zone opportunities

Cam Newton got picked off in Lions red-zone.

Our offense only had one full field drive and scored 3 points.

Lions offense scored 7 points from full field drives.

Third quarter:

1st drive. Carolina has ball. 3 and out. Failure by offense. Lions force punt.

J-Vaughn Penalty for horse collar tackle gives Lions ball at Carolina 30. Total failure by punting unit.

Total failure by offense side of the ball.

Lions get ball at Carolina 30th. Touchdown! Good job Lions offense.

2nd drive. Carolina has ball 3 and out. Failure by offense. Lions force punt. Great punt.

Lions get ball at Detroit 34. Drive down. Touchdown. Bad job Carolina defense.

Turnover #5: Carolina has ball at Lions 26. Cam Newton intercepted in the red-zone. Total failure Cam Newton.

Lions get ball at Lions 21 yard line. Defense forces 3 and out. Big win Carolina defense. forces punt.

Carolina offense scored:

0 points

Got 2 three and outs and a penalty giving Lions ball at Car 30

Cam Newton got intercepted.

Lions:

offense scored 7 points from turnover at Car 30.

offense scored 7 points starting at own 34.

Carolina defense:

-forced 2 three and outs.

Who played better? Carolina Defense! Offense stunk! Cam Newton stunk. Lions offense played good. Lions defense and Stafford played great.

4th quarter:

drive 1: Offense goes 3 and out. Failure by offense. Lions force punt.

drive 2: Lions drive from 31 and score touchdown. Failure by defense.

drive 3. Carolina offense drive from 20. Touchdown Carolina!

First full scoring drive of the game for 7 points

drive 4: Lions drive drive from 20. Touchdown. Failure by defense.

Turnover #6:

drive 5: Car has ball at 17 yard line. Cam Newton intercepted. Gives Lions ball at 23.

drive 6: Lions offense starting at 23 yard line. Touchdown. Good job Stafford. Carolina defense failure.

Turnover #7

drive 7: Car has ball 20 yard line. Cam Newton intercepted. Game over.

Who played better? Lions. Total failure by both Carolina offense and defense. Cam Newton stunk. Stafford and Lions played great

In the second half Carolina offense scored:

-7 points

-had 3 three and outs.

- Cam Newton had 3 interceptions

-Gave the ball to the Lions offense at our own 30 and 23 yard lines.

-Cam Newton got intercepted in the red zone once.

-Cam Newton got intercepted in our own end once.

Carolina defense:

-allowed 21 points off of full drives.

-forced two 3 and outs.

Total recap:

Carolina offense from full drives: 10 points

Carolina offense from turnovers thanks to our defense: 10

Carolina special teams: 7

Carolina offense from mid-field thanks to our defense: 7

Carolina missed 10 points on turnovers.

Cam Newton blew 3 red-zone opportunities

Cam Newton threw 2 interception in Lions red-zone, 1 in our own.

Carolina 3 and outs: 3(all in the second half)

Gave the ball to the Lions offense at our own 30 and 23 yard lines.

Carolina offense gave Lions 14 points off turnovers.

Cam Newton threw a total of 4 interceptions.

Lions points from full drives: 28

Lions from turnovers: 14

Lions from special teams: 7

Carolina defense:

-3 turnovers that led to 10 points( 2 turnovers near opponents red-zone)

-4 three and outs(1 led to mid-field starting position)

-allowed 28 points from full drives

-gave opportunity for 21 points from turnovers(offense only got 10)

Carolina defense outplayed Lions defense the entire first half.

Carolina defense outplayed our offense in 3 quarters of the game.

Carolina offense played good in 1 quarter: 2nd

Cam Newton throws 4 pics, two in the red zone, 1 in our own territory.

Cam Newton's main receiver was our running back, Johnathan Stewart

Newton's numbers:

Newton 22/38 280 7.4 1 4 50.2

[CatMan72]

LOL, on the other hand Cam had the defense playing pretty well in the first half - so lets make sure to give him credit for that within the parameters of this ridiculous argument, right?

[TheRealDeal]

1-He's a rookie

2-Teams adjust and game plan

3-He would benefit from a consistent running game to take pressure off him

John Fox?

We are what we are.

The other team practices too.

Ball Control offense.

Truth is that at least 3/4's of Cam's INTs weren't his fault. And even with the INTs he did enough to win the game. We shouldn't even be talking about Newton right now. The defense got their ass handed to them and Rivera and McDermott aren't cutting it. Chud also didn't help out with some of the calls he made today.

lol

Remember when people railed Moore for throwing two picks in the bears game, one off Armanti's hands and the other at the end of the game to Gettis down by 1,000,000? Those were both clearly his fault right? Yet 3/4's of Cam's ints aren't his fault?

Then you go on to blame everyone else for a QB who threw 4 picks?

This fan base and message board is headed in a dark, Atlanta esque direction.

[mav1234]

cam threw the ints, "blame" goes on him. truth is the crazy overthrows were more concerning to me than his ints... but even so, I'm not worrying about it yet because he is just a rookie.

defense is still the primary reason that game was lost. it blew chunks.

[TheRealDeal]

That shouldn't be news to anyone

[mav1234]

just a correction PFFL..

Lions had 7 points off 4 turnovers. Their only score off a turnover came in the 4th quarter. All 14 points given up by the defense were due to the defense... well, being the defense in the 2nd quarter. I suppose you can "excuse" one due to awful special teams, but the other was a 66 yard drive. Detroit getting the ball on it's own 34 shouldn't be an automatic guarantee of a TD.

Panthers had 10 off 3, all in the first quarter.

Panthers defense struggled in the second and was pretty damn bad in the third and fourth.

Cam's interceptions leads to only 1 TD and it came after the defense had already given up our lead, then given up our tie, so meh. I wish the offense had moved the ball too but our defense is just plain out awful.

Basically defense gave up 42 points not related to Cam's turnovers, 28 that were on long drives of 80, 80, 63, 69, and 80 yards. That's... pretty bad.

A quick look at Detroit's scores and starting position along with the play that caused the field position:

2nd quarter: 80 yard TD drive, started on DET 20. Touchback. Score: 10-7

2nd quarter: 80 yard TD drive, started on DET 20. Touchback. Score: 24-14

3rd quarter: 30 yard TD drive, started on CAR 30. Punt return + Penalty. Score: 27-21

3rd quarter: 66 yard TD drive, started on DET 34. Punt return. Score: 27-28

4th quarter: 69 yard TD drive, started on DET 31. Punt return. Score: 27-35

4th quarter: 80 yard TD drive, started on DET 20. Touchback. Score: 35-42

4th quarter: 23 yard TD drive, started on CAR 23. Interception. Score: 35-49