Stewart most elusive back in NFL

[hepcat]

he needs double the amount of touches he has.

[CRA]

Ranked no.1 in the league by PFF, ahead of Fred Jackson, Forte, AP, etc. Can we get him some more carries Chud?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/18/signature-stats-snapshot-elusive-rating-revisited/

Going back to 08 Stewart has finished 1st or 2nd every year in their breakdown......he has been the most elusive in RB on the NFL by there system since entering the league

[DawgzLife]

he needs double the amount of touches he has.

Yes. And we need to commit to the running game more. Early in the game we should not always come out throwing so much. I love the passing game as much as anyone, but the run game establishes dominance, gives the D rest & sets us up for big pass plays that won't necessarily be as easily intercepted.

[CRA]

In years past DeAngelo was 1 of the top ranked most elusive, ranked higher than JStew. The stat is interesting, but not a functional stat like yards per carry average. Elusiveness does not always translate into a high YPC. You can notice that by the fact that D-Will has a higher YPC avaerage that JStew, yet only 8 more attempts rushing this year.

This is not a knock on JStew, more on the fact that there is a stat for everything & some are made just to keep more statiticians employed. ;)

No he wasn't. Stewart has constantly been at the top of PFF ranks every season.....

In their ranking Stewart is more elusive and that isnt just for 2011. Since 08 no RB ranks higher overall than Stewart

[nctarheel0619]

Sucks we will probably lose Stewart, who is younger and can block and catch because we paid DWill a fortune

Good thing about D-Wills contract is its front loaded. Stews contract is up in 2 years. So, they could get rid of D-Will and shore up Stew for a while.

[CRA]

Sucks we will probably lose Stewart, who is younger and can block and catch because we paid DWill a fortune

Williams will never play out that contract. Doesn't happen in the NFL

[DawgzLife]

Going back to 08 Stewart has finished 1st or 2nd every year in their breakdown......he has been the most elusive in RB on the NFL by there system since entering the league

This is not to argue your point, but I made a post a bit ago that mentioned D-WIll being rated higher at some point than JStew, so just showing that for 2008.

Name Team Touches Missed Tackles YCo / Att ELUSIVE RATING

DeAngelo Williams CAR 295 63 3.90 83.4

Jonathan Stewart CAR 192 38 3.52 69.6

2008: Stew #2 (D-Will #1). 2009: Stew #2. 2010: Stew #8 (Goodson #5)

[CRA]

This is not to argue your point, but I made a post a bit ago that mentioned D-WIll being rated higher at some point than JStew, so just showing that for 2008.

Name Team Touches Missed Tackles YCo / Att ELUSIVE RATING

DeAngelo Williams CAR 295 63 3.90 83.4

Jonathan Stewart CAR 192 38 3.52 69.6

2008: Stew #2 (D-Will #1). 2009: Stew #2. 2010: Stew #8 (Goodson #5)

So Stewart is top 2 every year but once and that was top 8.... Williams ranked in the top 10 once. At least in their rankings, that is a big edge to Stewart

[DawgzLife]

So Stewart is top 2 every year but once and that was top 8.... Williams ranked in the top 10 once. At least in their rankings, that is a big edge to Stewart

Did you not read my post?! This was not an argument, just pointing out the facts. This stats is really not indicative of overall success tho, IMO.

Since you are indicating preference for Stew over D-Will tho, D-Will has a 4.8 ypc avg. & Stew has 4.7 ypc avg. So waht stat matters? In reality...niether, they need to get both the ball more. They both have unique talents & are better as a combo than individually. Stats can be read whatever way you choose to read them. Winning is all that matters.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

In years past DeAngelo was 1 of the top ranked most elusive, ranked higher than JStew. The stat is interesting, but not a functional stat like yards per carry average. Elusiveness does not always translate into a high YPC. You can notice that by the fact that D-Will has a higher YPC avaerage that JStew, yet only 8 more attempts rushing this year.

This is not a knock on JStew, more on the fact that there is a stat for everything & some are made just to keep more statiticians employed. ;)

ypc can easily be skewed.

one run has inflated williams's ypc for this season....and on the flip side, both newton and stewart's ypc are diminished by the number of goal line carries they've had this season.

i've broken down the ypc stats in the past, i might do it again for this season.

[DawgzLife]

ypc can easily be skewed.

one run has inflated williams's ypc for this season....and on the flip side, both newton and stewart's ypc are diminished by the number of goal line carries they've had this season.

i've broken down the ypc stats in the past, i might do it again for this season.

My whole point is that all stats can be skewed. I would be interested to see the # of goal line carries both Stew & D-Will have had (Cam is a QB & ypc should not matter anyway). I haven't seen Chud use either RB on the goal line the way he should.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

My whole point is that all stats can be skewed. I would be interested to see the # of goal line carries both Stew & D-Will have had (Cam is a QB & ypc should not matter anyway). I haven't seen Chud use either RB on the goal line the way he should.

yes, but ypc is the worst way to evaluate the effectiveness of a rb.

[DawgzLife]

yes, but ypc is the worst way to evaluate the effectiveness of a rb.

Seriously?! :confused:

What is the best way then? Please explain your rationale behind why it is the most important too, so I have a chance to respond to what you truely mean & how a RB is best evaluated.

[panthers55]

I think you will see more running in the second half of the season. Partly because weather outside in december gets nasty favoring running, and people are playing more cover 2 dropping 7 and 8 in coverage. That favors running the ball more often. Chud is still figuring things out, he is still new and hasn't called games in years. I still think we will see Williams and Stewart's value this year.