Cam's a slam for Rookie of the Year

[Jangler]

They prob will give it to The Golden Calf of Bristol even though he is not even a Rookie.

stealing my month old joke? cool :party:

[t48]

A thread about our qb wouldn't be complete without a vince young comparison. He's black too afterall.

I wonder why theres never a Doug Williams comparison?

[TrueDat]

the bangals have followed the same model that the falcons, ravens, jets, etc. have followed with rookie QBs in helping him just learn to manage the game and limit mistakes by limiting his opportunities to throw and the offense he's in.

the only thing the bengals are doing differently is that they are running the ball a little less than the other teams, but they also just haven't been running that many plays at all. 21st in total offensive plays.

point is...they have a system in place that is proven to work in getting teams wins early with a rookie QB, but what it doesn't do is help develop them into anything more than game managers who most likely won't be able to put the team on his back and [1]create some big comebacks when necessary.

why isn't there more excitement over dalton? basically...been there, done that.

there is just more excitement with newton because he is showing to be a more complete passer and big play maker than any rookie has in years. he is making more mistakes than others because they are letting him play. they are expecting big things from him and are letting him learn in a "no holds barred" setting.

the dude is phenomenal in what he's doing and he is going to be one of the elite QBs in the league. everyone watching him without a bias against him can see what he's doing now and know that in a short amount of time he could easily be one of the top 3 QBs in the league and also once he grows, learns the system, develops a little more, and the team around him improves a little, he is going to be winning a lot of games.

i've said it many times, once they start winning, they aren't going to stop for a long time.

newton is bar none the most exciting player to watch in years.

First I just wanted to say just about everything in that article shows why you should never take anything ESPN says seriously. They're great at making athletes popular, but they're a horrible source of factual football information. Extremely opinionated pieces based on hype not facts.

On to your post. It's nice to be excited and hopeful but you contradicted yourself in the same post. You were spot on with the first part. They are teaching Dalton how to be an efficient passer and a game manager QB. This is the first thing you must learn how to do at the NFL level. That in essence is what makes you a better passer. Hence he is a more complete passer at this point in time and is beating Cam Newton in 3 of the 4 categories a passer is primarily rated on, and Dalton is handicapped in yards, by the offense style, the receiver he's throwing to and the fact that he's actually winning. Without learning what Dalton is doing, Cam Newton will never be an efficient passer.

The best passers in the league, including Tom Brady, Brees, Rodgers, are exactly that and started the same way Dalton did. Very efficient passers and excellent game managing QB's. This position is not about flash, but about efficiency, accuracy and consistency. You don't put the carriage before the horse which is what we are doing. All that does is lead you to a losing record, teaches bad habits, and unless someone wakes up and intervenes it's going to create Bret Farve 2.0, if we're lucky. If not we'll just ruin another rookie QB. And one with quite a bit of upside.

First you learn how to be efficient, accurate and manage the game. You learn how to throw the ball away. You learn how to protect the ball. You learn when not to pass. Etc. Then you start learning how to take chances. All we are doing is....terrible teaching. It's why Cam Newton and this offense looked exactly as inefficient and sloppy last week, as we did in week 1. Maybe worse. Sure, you will get lucky and beat teams that are more inefficient than you, but it gives a false sense of accomplishment and improvement.

And finally you are also wrong to assume Andy Dalton can't pass a lot. When you put the game away, you tend not to have to throw for 30+ passes a game. His low passing is also a result of him being efficient in the first place. Cam Newton has had to come back a lot from behind, missed his opportunities and thus has to pass more. Most-not all, but most-passing teams who fall behind and lose the game, end up getting more yards and have more passing attempts. It's also the difference between an Air Coryell passing offense and a balanced run/pass offense.

But you are right about the excitement part. Cam Newton is definitely the more exciting quarterback with a bigger upside and certainly the more talented athlete. But the only way he becomes a great QB is by doing what Dalton is doing. And we're not going to start winning until Cam Newton does exactly that.

1 The bolded part is just a flat out lie. Andy Dalton already has more 4th quarter come back wins this year than Cam Newton. This is actually the main reason we lost 6 of our 7 games this year because Cam Newton has been pretty terrible in these situations if you pull up his passing stats in these specific instances. Not to mention, Delhomme has more comeback wins than most of the quarterbacks dubbed "comeback kings" and he didn't pass a lot either. He stepped it up only when he needed to. Guys who sling it like Bret Farve have been horrible comeback players under pressure. They throw lots of pics.

[Disinfranchised]

Compare him to Tusteverde. If he continues to stink up stadiums like he did last week he aint gonna win spit. Just another Bust. Show me! That's all I say. Show me!

[CatMan72]

Most telling stat... Cam has only one more interception on 40 more attempts then Dalton.

[GritsRgreat]

I wonder why theres never a Doug Williams comparison?

Because Doug Williams was the MAN and won his team a Superbowl. Williams is 10 times the man/player/leader Vince Young is.

[GritsRgreat]

First I just wanted to say just about everything in that article shows why you should never take anything ESPN says seriously. They're great at making athletes popular, but they're a horrible source of factual football information. Extremely opinionated pieces based on hype not facts.

On to your post. It's nice to be excited and hopeful but you contradicted yourself in the same post. You were spot on with the first part. They are teaching Dalton how to be an efficient passer and a game manager QB. This is the first thing you must learn how to do at the NFL level. That in essence is what makes you a better passer. Hence he is a more complete passer at this point in time and is beating Cam Newton in 3 of the 4 categories a passer is primarily rated on, and Dalton is handicapped in yards, by the offense style, the receiver he's throwing to and the fact that he's actually winning. Without learning what Dalton is doing, Cam Newton will never be an efficient passer.

The best passers in the league, including Tom Brady, Brees, Rodgers, are exactly that and started the same way Dalton did. Very efficient passers and excellent game managing QB's. This position is not about flash, but about efficiency, accuracy and consistency. You don't put the carriage before the horse which is what we are doing. All that does is lead you to a losing record, teaches bad habits, and unless someone wakes up and intervenes it's going to create Bret Farve 2.0, if we're lucky. If not we'll just ruin another rookie QB. And one with quite a bit of upside.

First you learn how to be efficient, accurate and manage the game. You learn how to throw the ball away. You learn how to protect the ball. You learn when not to pass. Etc. Then you start learning how to take chances. All we are doing is....terrible teaching. It's why Cam Newton and this offense looked exactly as inefficient and sloppy last week, as we did in week 1. Maybe worse. Sure, you will get lucky and beat teams that are more inefficient than you, but it gives a false sense of accomplishment and improvement.

And finally you are also wrong to assume Andy Dalton can't pass a lot. When you put the game away, you tend not to have to throw for 30+ passes a game. His low passing is also a result of him being efficient in the first place. Cam Newton has had to come back a lot from behind, missed his opportunities and thus has to pass more. Most-not all, but most-passing teams who fall behind and lose the game, end up getting more yards and have more passing attempts. It's also the difference between an Air Coryell passing offense and a balanced run/pass offense.

But you are right about the excitement part. Cam Newton is definitely the more exciting quarterback with a bigger upside and certainly the more talented athlete. But the only way he becomes a great QB is by doing what Dalton is doing. And we're not going to start winning until Cam Newton does exactly that.

1 The bolded part is just a flat out lie. Andy Dalton already has more 4th quarter come back wins this year than Cam Newton. This is actually the main reason we lost 6 of our 7 games this year because Cam Newton has been pretty terrible in these situations if you pull up his passing stats in these specific instances. Not to mention, Delhomme has more comeback wins than most of the quarterbacks dubbed "comeback kings" and he didn't pass a lot either. He stepped it up only when he needed to. Guys who sling it like Bret Farve have been horrible comeback players under pressure. They throw lots of pics.

Post of the week!

[King Taharqa]

Gee, i wonder who number28 is pulling for to win it.

[jtnc]

First I just wanted to say just about everything in that article shows why you should never take anything ESPN says seriously. They're great at making athletes popular, but they're a horrible source of factual football information. Extremely opinionated pieces based on hype not facts.

On to your post. It's nice to be excited and hopeful but you contradicted yourself in the same post. You were spot on with the first part. They are teaching Dalton how to be an efficient passer and a game manager QB. This is the first thing you must learn how to do at the NFL level. That in essence is what makes you a better passer. Hence he is a more complete passer at this point in time and is beating Cam Newton in 3 of the 4 categories a passer is primarily rated on, and Dalton is handicapped in yards, by the offense style, the receiver he's throwing to and the fact that he's actually winning. Without learning what Dalton is doing, Cam Newton will never be an efficient passer.

The best passers in the league, including Tom Brady, Brees, Rodgers, are exactly that and started the same way Dalton did. Very efficient passers and excellent game managing QB's. This position is not about flash, but about efficiency, accuracy and consistency. You don't put the carriage before the horse which is what we are doing. All that does is lead you to a losing record, teaches bad habits, and unless someone wakes up and intervenes it's going to create Bret Farve 2.0, if we're lucky. If not we'll just ruin another rookie QB. And one with quite a bit of upside.

First you learn how to be efficient, accurate and manage the game. You learn how to throw the ball away. You learn how to protect the ball. You learn when not to pass. Etc. Then you start learning how to take chances. All we are doing is....terrible teaching. It's why Cam Newton and this offense looked exactly as inefficient and sloppy last week, as we did in week 1. Maybe worse. Sure, you will get lucky and beat teams that are more inefficient than you, but it gives a false sense of accomplishment and improvement.

And finally you are also wrong to assume Andy Dalton can't pass a lot. When you put the game away, you tend not to have to throw for 30+ passes a game. His low passing is also a result of him being efficient in the first place. Cam Newton has had to come back a lot from behind, missed his opportunities and thus has to pass more. Most-not all, but most-passing teams who fall behind and lose the game, end up getting more yards and have more passing attempts. It's also the difference between an Air Coryell passing offense and a balanced run/pass offense.

But you are right about the excitement part. Cam Newton is definitely the more exciting quarterback with a bigger upside and certainly the more talented athlete. But the only way he becomes a great QB is by doing what Dalton is doing. And we're not going to start winning until Cam Newton does exactly that.

1 The bolded part is just a flat out lie. Andy Dalton already has more 4th quarter come back wins this year than Cam Newton. This is actually the main reason we lost 6 of our 7 games this year because Cam Newton has been pretty terrible in these situations if you pull up his passing stats in these specific instances. Not to mention, Delhomme has more comeback wins than most of the quarterbacks dubbed "comeback kings" and he didn't pass a lot either. He stepped it up only when he needed to. Guys who sling it like Bret Farve have been horrible comeback players under pressure. They throw lots of pics.

Never be an efficient passer? Yeah you were probably in the same crowd who said he never could make it as an NFL QB. Cam has already has a better completion rating and a TD to int ratio than Manning during his rookie year. Both Manning, Marino and Aikman had turnover problems early in their careers.

They had completion pct% of:

58% (Marino)

60% (Cam)

56% (Manning)

52% (Aikman)

And Dalton has more comeback wins because his defense puts him in that situation, most of the time Cam is not even on the field for long periods of time because the defense can't get a stop.

Finally, if you want to keep talking about this fuging red head who doesn't play for the Carolina Panthers, then be a Bengal fan.

[jtnc]

So based on your logic Marino, Manning, Aikman never became efficent QB's.:lol:

[TrueDat]

Never be an efficient passer? Yeah you were probably in the same crowd who said he never could make it as an NFL QB. Cam has already has a better completion rating and a TD to int ratio than Manning during his rookie year. Both Manning, Marino and Aikman had turnover problems early in their careers.

They had completion pct% of:

58% (Marino)

60% (Cam)

56% (Manning)

52% (Aikman)

And Dalton has more comeback wins because his defense puts him in that situation, most of the time Cam is not even on the field for long periods of time because the defense can't get a stop.

Finally, if you want to keep talking about this fuging red head who doesn't play for the Carolina Panthers, then be a Bengal fan.

I'm not the one that started this topic. And just out of curiosity which one of those guys has a receiver on the level of Steve Smith to throw the ball to their rookie year? Not even Irvin compares to Smith imo.

[jtnc]

I'm not the one that started this topic. And just out of curiosity which one of those guys has a receiver on the level of Steve Smith to throw the ball to their rookie year? Not even Irving compares to Smith imo.

I could say the same thing for Dalton, is Green not one of the best young WR's? See, your logic just backfired on you.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

the bengals definitely aren't leaning on dalton the way the panthers have leaned on cam

[TrueDat]

I could say the same thing for Dalton, is Green not one of the best young WR's? See, your logic just backfired on you.

Dude what are you smoking? See this is the problem with some of you man. You have no fuging clue what it means to be a real elite veteran versus a damn rookie. You give no freaking credit to experience, learning, refining the position.

AJ and Smith are not even close. And the numbers clearly show. Smith's the #2 receiver in the NFL right now and he's above and beyond even other veteran receivers that have played the game before. AJ isn't even in the top 10. This is what makes Cam Homers like you a laughing stock. You think Cam Newton makes Smith look good. It's pathetic.