Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

[KillerKat]

Hey here's the Fox we all know

Jake Plummer:

"When are they going to stop that [option offense]? I don't know, man," Plummer said. "That's why you won't see me on ESPN prognosticating or trying to analyze what they do.

"They are going to do it until it gets stopped and probably are going to keep doing it until The Golden Calf of Bristol can take a drop and hit an out route or a comeback. Until he can do that, then why would they change? If he can't ever do that … I think if he takes the time and gets the right coaching and has people with patience and putting effort in. He's willing to learn. You can hear it in his words."

Until The Golden Calf of Bristol gets the right coaching he will always be a gimmick. And even then if he does, he may not even have the capability to grasp how to run an NFL offense. Fox is going to be there at least another year. He has never had the patience to teach a QB anything.

If they bring in another coach after a year or so it'll be at least another couple years before The Golden Calf of Bristol can understand it. So we're talking 2-4 years down the road before we know if The Golden Calf of Bristol can last. And thats assuming his GIMMICK we're seeing right now lasts long enough for their front office to decide to keep him around longer.

However, if Fox lasts longer than a year or 2 and lets say..gets an extension. The Golden Calf of Bristol will be done.

Point is, what you're seeing from The Golden Calf of Bristol now will not last. And he most likely won't last long in the NFL.

[CarolinaPanthersFan#1]

If The Golden Calf of Bristol can't throw the freakin ball, he ain't gonna make it. Simple as that.

The Golden Calf of Bristol style football is a bit like the "wildcat formation". It will work in the short run and then it will fail later on when defenses in the NFL start designing their defenses for it and practicing for it.

Defenses are going to simply stack the box and try to tee off of The Golden Calf of Bristol in the pocket until he can prove he can threaten defenses consistently with his arm. Cam scares defenses throwing the ball a LOT in the NFL already. Defenses laugh about The Golden Calf of Bristol's passing skills.

[Kevin Greene]

Should The Golden Calf of Bristol's whiteness get under Cam's skin

Gotta admit that is a strange thread title.

[Carolinapanman]

this thread makes my balls itch its so stupid.

haha agreed

[chef17]

Yes he is because his run game puts so much pressure on opposing defenses and eats clock which allows his defense to rest.

Running wins games.. and The Golden Calf of Bristol makes his teams dominant running teams. Imagine if he had a great runningback playing with him. They would be unstoppable.

Dude he had like 7 three and outs last game. That poo isn't efficient no matter what you say

[TrueDat]

So explain how the Broncos were efficient yesterday when The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't drive the length of the field until the end of the game then.

Definition of efficient: performing or functioning in the best possible manner with the least waste of time and effort

7 punts is not performing in the best manner with the least wasted time and effort. Seems you are the one who has no idea what makes an efficient offense.

Are you measuring The Golden Calf of Bristol's efficiency or the Bronco's offense? I said Bronco's offense. And football offensive efficiency is yards per point. Efficiency is also defined within the context of a particular event and must have resources, an exchange, a goal and purpose and you did neither.

For example. An offense's job is to gain more yards and exchange them for more points against my opponent's defense, than they can against my defense in order to win the game. So in football offensive efficiency or YPP, is simply points divided by yards per game: whoever scores the most points with the fewest amount of yards.

Average is about 15-16 yards per point. Statistically 100% is 100/6(touchdown) and you can just as easily use 100/7 because the PAT unit and point almost never fails and goes in after whoever scores. Or you can use an average if you want to make it simpler which would give you 200/13 = 15.4 This is exactly what it was for the 14th, 15th, and 16th ranked efficient offenses last week. So this is "average" ypp for an offense. 13 points every 200 yards. The lower the number, the higher the efficiency.

An offense has two goals. Two plans for a win: Plan A or Plan B.

Plan A. Stay under that number and get as low as possible. Get the lowest number ever by scoring the most points off the fewest yards.

If I fail here...

Plan B. Stay under the opponents efficiency. Be more efficient than your opponent while scoring more points off fewer yards.

Jets: YPP 318/13 = 24.46

Denver YPP: 229/17 = 13.47

This is how you measure your total scoring offense's efficiency. So yeah the Denver Broncos were the more efficient offense. They hit both goals. They were not just more efficient than their opponent, but also an efficient offense compared to the average.

And they should have won the game, as it happens 99% of the time. And they did. By percentage if we use 15.4 as 100%, they were 114% more efficient than an average offense. The Jets were at 62% for that game compared to an average offense. The Broncos were way more efficient than the Jets. Pretty good odds of winning. Easy win actually. So yes. The Broncos offense was more efficient.

As a side note:

Now that measurement doesn't mean a quarterback's efficiency but it includes it. A quarterback is a HUGE part of an offense's efficiency. So it has an effect on it. We can look and observe that as well now.

A quarterback's rating measures a quarterback's passer rating efficiency. But that's only one side of his "total" efficiency(which is what you were trying to define but it ultimately still comes down to helping your team score the most points while getting the fewest yards). There is no simple formula for that one to be exact because it includes things such as decision making skills(no idea how to put a number on that). So the NFL has the QB rating for now. The ESPN one is an experiment and unofficial(stay away). And by looking at his QB passer rating I can tell you the two quarterbacks were fairly close in efficiency as passers:

The Golden Calf of Bristol 9/20 104 5.2 0 0 61.2

Sanchez 24/40 252 6.3 0 1 67.9

They were both fairly stinky but Sanchez ranked higher. So clearly The Golden Calf of Bristol's offense was more efficient and The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't help much, by way of passing anyway. So they are getting help by way of running, special teams or The Golden Calf of Bristol's awesome decision making skills or situational plays or will to win "factor" or intangibles. I don't know.

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But wait just one second. There is one thing. An interception! And that right there by Sanchez, probably makes him as the main culprit for his overall offense's inefficiency. That certainly hurt his offense more than The Golden Calf of Bristol extra couple of miss passes did.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was not 100% efficient as a passer. But Sanches threw a pick. A turnover doesn't just affect your quarterback's rating. It is a direct impact on not just yourself, not just your offense, but your defense as well. It hurts both sides of the ball.

So what was plan B?

Plan B. Stay under the opponents efficiency. Be more efficient than your opponent while scoring more points off fewer yards.

I'd say he won that one if you ask me.

[chef17]

Broncos offense was not more efficient. They just got lucky with a pick 6. When the offense doesn't have to do anything to change the stat it isn't offensive efficiency.

[Decleater]

Broncos offense was not more efficient. They just got lucky with a pick 6. When the offense doesn't have to do anything to change the stat it isn't offensive efficiency.

Lucky? LOL

Sanchez had a pick 6 against the Broncos D but The Golden Calf of Bristol didn;t and it's lucky? lol

Makes no sense.. the Jets D is better than the Broncos but The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't screw up against them. The Golden Calf of Bristol hasn't had a pick in any of his wins.. so it's not ike this was something unusual.

The Golden Calf of Bristol's running ability puts huge pressure on the opposing D..

• The Golden Calf of Bristol fun fact of the week: The Broncos are 4-1 with The Golden Calf of Bristol as a starter (after going 1-4 under Kyle Orton), and of course they are largely getting by with an unorthodox ground-based offense along with a couple of The Golden Calf of Bristol late-game miracles. How does The Golden Calf of Bristol rate compared to other running QBs? Well, he has 49 carries for 351 yards in his five starts, which would put him on pace for 1,123 yards over a full season. That figure would be an NFL record for quarterbacks, breaking Michael Vick's mark of 1,039 set in 2006. That total would have also been good enough for 13th among all players in 2010 -- ahead of running backs Cedric Benson, LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte.

[Decleater]

If The Golden Calf of Bristol can't throw the freakin ball, he ain't gonna make it. Simple as that.

The Golden Calf of Bristol style football is a bit like the "wildcat formation". It will work in the short run and then it will fail later on when defenses in the NFL start designing their defenses for it and practicing for it.

Defenses are going to simply stack the box and try to tee off of The Golden Calf of Bristol in the pocket until he can prove he can threaten defenses consistently with his arm. Cam scares defenses throwing the ball a LOT in the NFL already. Defenses laugh about The Golden Calf of Bristol's passing skills.

The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven he can pass better than Cam.. no picks in his wins and he puts the ball in tighter windows with less talent in the clutch.. something cam hasn't done.

[Decleater]

This thread is going to be entertaining to come back to.. people calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a gimmick.. lol

You should see the message boards from when The Golden Calf of Bristol was in college. After his first year when he came in off the bench.. ll these people saying he would never be able to be a starting QB in the SEC and pass at a high enough level. Then he won the Heisman as a sophomore for the first time in history passing the ball. Won his second championship. A Heisman candidate every year.

The gimmick is winning more than Cam and Michael Vick this year..

[CatMan72]

The wildcat was pretty effective for a season, then defenses caught up to it and it's not nearly as effective anymore... defenses will catch up to the option and force The Golden Calf of Bristol to beat them with his arm.

[MWCarolina]

The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven he can pass better than Cam.. no picks in his wins and he puts the ball in tighter windows with less talent in the clutch.. something cam hasn't done.

HAHAHA, you got to be joking!!!! ok, first let me say you are correct on the picks, BUT he has NOT and i repeat NOT proven he can pass better than Cam. as for putting the ball in tighter windows, please. he has missed wide open passes that Newton would hit in the numbers, he's not putting balls in tight windows, he either over throws or throws in the dirt and then sometimes hits a WR. he has won in the clutch, but it's usually his running that does it and not his passing, to say he's a better passer than Cam is incorrect, he is real inaccurate and the denver coaches dont even trust him to throw which is opposite of the panthers coaches. The Golden Calf of Bristol is a better runner than Cam because he has better vision.

[tiger7_88]

The defense can't turn over the ball. They don't have it.

If the defense intercepts the ball, runs it back 20 yards downfield, then has the ball stripped from them and the offense recovers it, you're saying that the defense didn't turn the ball over?

Do you know ANYTHING about football?

[Seltzer]

People who would argue or even more sadly actually believe that The Golden Calf of Bristol is a better NFL QB now or will be at any point in the future than Cam Newton both scare me while also making me feel truly sorry for them.

The logic (or complete lack of) these people exhibit is on par with people, who in spite of overwhelming evidence, would believe that our Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Or that Global warming is a myth...

Or that God somehow has a vested interest in meaningless sporting events (or by extension one individual player who makes a very public spectacle of his "beliefs") while concurrently neglecting the fact that billions of people are in tremendous suffering every day of their lives...

It is quite frankly embarrassing and a sad commentary on a lot of the American public. The very teachings of Jesus, for those that would somehow equate The Golden Calf of Bristol as an agent of those teachings, should read and understand Matthew 6: 5-15 which unequivocally commands those following his teachings to pray privately as to not make a spectacle of themselves.

The Golden Calf of Bristol is a quasi-Quarteback/Running Back/Religious Conglomeration who truly is a pop culture phenomenon. And the The Golden Calf of Bristol brand has public religiousity as one of the main dogmatic tenants. The Golden Calf of Bristol can not race to the cameras any faster after a score to kneel down to God. And while I completely respect atheletes "giving thanks," what The Golden Calf of Bristol does is to thank "his" God who blesses him above all others.

For anyone who was raised in and actually understands what Christianity is suppossed to represent, it is repulsively indulgent, but unfortunately it is what I believe modern American Christianity has devolved to. The Golden Calf of Bristol is Joel Osteen with athletic ability.

Fortunately, like most of American pop culture, this absurdity will only have so long of a half-live, and 5 or 10 years ago The Golden Calf of Bristol will only exist as a foot note to American pop culture in the 2010's.