Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

[mav1234]

teehee, "the Panthers whole game plan is about protecting Cam." You don't ask a qb you are protecting to throw the ball 30+ times, lol.

that's funny, because the way you protect a quarterback is by running the ball a poo ton... Kinda like how Denver is running the ball 30+ times and asking The Golden Calf of Bristol to throw as sparingly as possible.

[AceMan]

lol pffl

[Decleater]

teehee, "the Panthers whole game plan is about protecting Cam." You don't ask a qb you are protecting to throw the ball 30+ times, lol.

that's funny, because the way you protect a quarterback is by running the ball a poo ton... Kinda like how Denver is running the ball 30+ times and asking The Golden Calf of Bristol to throw as sparingly as possible.

No... because your QB can't get in any rhythm passing the ball.. and if your running game stinks it puts even MORE pressure on them. Cam would get exposed if the Panthers did that.. why di you think they don't run the ball more with such great runners?

[Decleater]

rofl, I know. I can explain it quite easily: The Golden Calf of Bristol sucks and can't score, his defense wins games.

So why didn't the Broncos win with Orton who is supposedly a better passer? because the run game stunk with him and he turned the ball over just like Cam...

Again.. Cam and Orton are really the same guy.. both guys put up big hollow numbers and won nothing..

[AceMan]

We should draft Luck or Barkley, right?

[mav1234]

No... because your QB can't get in any rhythm passing the ball.. and if your running game stinks it puts even MORE pressure on them. Cam would get exposed if the Panthers did that.. why di you think they don't run the ball more with such great runners?

Would you say that 39 pass attempts would be enough to get in the rhythm of passing the ball?

Because The Golden Calf of Bristol still only completed 46% of his passes. Indeed, against Detroit, the Broncos offense had 30 rush attempts to 39 pass attempts (46% completions)... Against Miami, they had 40 rushing attempts and 27 passing attempts (48% completions), against Oakland they had 39 rushing attempts and 21 passing attempts(47.6% completions), against KC they had 8 pass attempts and 55 rushing attempts (25% completions), against NYJ 34 rushes and 20 passing attempts (45%).

As you can see, The Golden Calf of Bristol's completion percentage hovers under 50% whether he throws 8 times or 40... 21 times or 27...

When the Broncos run the ball and control the ball with rushes, they win. They average like 10 more rushes with The Golden Calf of Bristol than with Orton. What happened when Orton only had to throw 25 times and Denver rushed 36 times? They won. When they rushed 13 times vs Oakland (pass 46 times), rush 23 times vs Tenn. (pass 39), rush 23 times vs GB (pass 32, but this game was gonna be a loss anyway), they lost all those games with Orton starting. notice the run/pass ratio changed DRAMATICALLY with The Golden Calf of Bristol?

it looks to me it's more that rushing the ball wins games when you have a defense like Denver...

[Decleater]

Would you say that 39 pass attempts would be getting in rhythm passing the ball?

But in that game it gets back to the protection problems of the line and McGahee being injured AND being behind even then Fox wants to play a slowdown offense... You guys want to pretend Cam has no positives on his team.. it's preposterous.

You act like it was Cam that was the greatest college player ever,.. he came out of junior college.. lol

[Decleater]

When the Broncos run the ball and control the ball with rushes, they win. They average like 10 more rushes with The Golden Calf of Bristol than with Orton.

it looks to me it's more that rushing the ball wins games when you have a defense like Denver...

So why didn't the Broncos just rush the ball more when Orton was qb? They should have been able to run the ball better if Orton was a better passer..

The Golden Calf of Bristol's presence as a runner is what makes the weak runners around him so good and in turn helps the defense.

Cam is a more explosive runner against bad defenses.. but he can't carry a team running the ball like The Golden Calf of Bristol can.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol couldn't pass the ball there is no way his offense runs as much as they do either. The Golden Calf of Bristol isn't that great of a runner..

[mav1234]

But in that game it gets back to the protection problems of the line and McGahee being injured AND being behind even then Fox wants to play a slowdown offense... You guys want to pretend Cam has no positives on his team.. it's preposterous.

You act like it was Cam that was the greatest college player ever,.. he came out of junior college.. lol

I don't think I've said anything about Cam's college career. Wrong person. I know you've talked about it but I don't give a poo about Cam's college career. I care about his time in the pros.

Most of us are more than willing to admit this team has a lot of good players on offense, but offense isn't losing us all the game we're losing... it's defense.

On the other hand, you seem to refuse to admit that The Golden Calf of Bristol may just not be a good passer right now. Perhaps he can develop into one but right now he isn't one.

So why didn't the Broncos just rush the ball more when Orton was qb? They should have been able to run the ball better if Orton was a better passer..

The Golden Calf of Bristol's presence as a runner is what makes the weak runners around him so good and in turn helps the defense.

Cam is a more explosive runner against bad defenses.. but he can't carry a team running the ball like The Golden Calf of Bristol can.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol couldn't pass the ball there is no way his offense runs as much as they do either. The Golden Calf of Bristol isn't that great of a runner..

The Broncos didn't rush the ball more with Orton because they thought his passing could win them games. They don't think that about The Golden Calf of Bristol (Hence Fox saying that The Golden Calf of Bristol would be screwed in a normal offense). They are protecting The Golden Calf of Bristol as much as anything because when he has to throw at all he is exposed.

We have no idea if Cam could carry a team running the ball because we don't run anything close to the same offenses. The Golden Calf of Bristol's offense is built around power running, Cam's is a vertical passing attack. Very different systems.

Now, I will say that The Golden Calf of Bristol refusing to take chances with the ball is helping to prevent turnovers which is helping them win games. The Golden Calf of Bristol buys into Fox's "a punt is not a bad play" mantra.

[Decleater]

Just ask yourself this..

Why did fox change the Broncos offense after Orton put up such huge numbers last season like cam is doing this season?

and the defense improved under Fox from the beginning and Orton's numbers went in the tank this season in Fox's more run oriented offense

[Khaki Lackey]

I don't think I've said anything about Cam's college career. Wrong person. I know you've talked about it but I don't give a poo about Cam's college career. I care about his time in the pros.

Most of us are more than willing to admit this team has a lot of good players on offense, but offense isn't losing us all the game we're losing... it's defense.

On the other hand, you seem to refuse to admit that The Golden Calf of Bristol may just not be a good passer right now. Perhaps he can develop into one but right now he isn't one.

The Broncos didn't rush the ball more with Orton because they thought his passing could win them games. They don't think that about The Golden Calf of Bristol (Hence Fox saying that The Golden Calf of Bristol would be screwed in a normal offense). They are protecting The Golden Calf of Bristol as much as anything because when he has to throw at all he is exposed.

We have no idea if Cam could carry a team running the ball because we don't run anything close to the same offenses. The Golden Calf of Bristol's offense is built around power running, Cam's is a vertical passing attack. Very different systems.

You're not getting it, man. Our defense is really great, but they are not playing well because Cam is so awesome that he sucks. Whereas The Golden Calf of Bristol sucks so bad that he is awesome making Denver's crappy defense fantastic. (Am I doing it right, Cam-troll?)

[AceMan]

I really think we should draft Matt Barkley, guys!

[mav1234]

Fox changed the Broncos offense because he believes that the best way to win football games is with a power running attack. Perhaps McCoy believed that Orton could win with throwing the ball, I dunno why they threw so much early. Indeed, the Broncos put up more points with Orton under center. But with Orton's scores came his turnovers... and a brutal early schedule. I also don't think Orton's numbers tanked, he just had too many turnovers. But I don't know why we are discussing Orton here - Orton is NOT Cam Newton. Orton is a 7-year veteran running a very different system of offense.

[rodeo]

Would you say that 39 pass attempts would be enough to get in the rhythm of passing the ball?

Because The Golden Calf of Bristol still only completed 46% of his passes. Indeed, against Detroit, the Broncos offense had 30 rush attempts to 39 pass attempts (46% completions)... Against Miami, they had 40 rushing attempts and 27 passing attempts (48% completions), against Oakland they had 39 rushing attempts and 21 passing attempts(47.6% completions), against KC they had 8 pass attempts and 55 rushing attempts (25% completions), against NYJ 34 rushes and 20 passing attempts (45%).

As you can see, The Golden Calf of Bristol's completion percentage hovers under 50% whether he throws 8 times or 40... 21 times or 27...

When the Broncos run the ball and control the ball with rushes, they win. They average like 10 more rushes with The Golden Calf of Bristol than with Orton. What happened when Orton only had to throw 25 times and Denver rushed 36 times? They won. When they rushed 13 times vs Oakland (pass 46 times), rush 23 times vs Tenn. (pass 39), rush 23 times vs GB (pass 32, but this game was gonna be a loss anyway), they lost all those games with Orton starting. notice the run/pass ratio changed DRAMATICALLY with The Golden Calf of Bristol?

it looks to me it's more that rushing the ball wins games when you have a defense like Denver...

Wow, The Golden Calf of Bristol hasn't had a completion % greater than 50 this entire season, has he?