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Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

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mav1234 Grand Master

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You're right, only one culprit for "inefficient defense"... the defense itself.

The offense isn't making the defense give up 3rd down conversions at a rate that is among the worst in the league. The offense isn't making the defense give up extremely long drives. The offense isn't making the defense be among the league worst at forcing punts. Nor is the offense making the defense fail to generate turnovers. We are flat middle of the road when it comes to "give-aways" but we are among the worst when it comes to "take-aways." Our defense can't get off the field! That is the problem. Luckily for us, our offense holds the ball and has enough long drives that the defense giving up a TD every *fourth drive* isn't as killer for us as it would be for some other teams.

It's obvious to anyone who watches the game,s including the coaching staff, that Cam is playing very well for a rookie overall and is doing more than enough to keep us in games. But the rest of the team isn't keeping up with the offense in most games, and that's hurting us.

We'll see if Cam can keep it up, and see if our defense steps up!

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You're right, only one cuplrit... the defense itself.

The offense isn't making the defense give up 3rd down conversions at a rate that is among the worst in the league. The offense isn't making the defense give up extremely long drives. The offense isn't making the defense be among the league worst at forcing points. Nor is the offense making the defense fail to generate turnovers. We are flat middle of the road when it comes to "give-aways" but we are among the worst when it comes to "take-aways." Our defense can't get off the field! That is the problem. Luckily for us, our offense holds the ball and has enough long drives that the defense giving up a TD every *fourth drive* isn't as killer for us as it would be for some other teams.

Forcing points? Our defense is above league average in forcing fumbles. We're missing interceptions. Which once again has more to do with our opponents' QB...but they just got one now...against the Lions.:)

So you were saying?

Heres one example where our defense just helped our offense's efficiency...... and Newton just fuging blew it.

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I meant punts.

Cam isn't perfect - still early. I wouldn't be surprised if he hit a rookie wall soon, we are asking him to do WAY too much. I don't know why we are so insistent on making him throw 35+ times a game. It's stupid.

But as to fumbles, I'm glad you bring them up because there are 25 teams equal to or better than us at forcing fumbles. Just like there are 28 teams that have the same or more INTs as us. You can say "the defense isn't responsible for interceptions," but it is. It's part of the game, and good players and good schemes create turnovers.

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I meant punts.

Cam isn't perfect - still early. I wouldn't be surprised if he hit a rookie wall soon, we are asking him to do WAY too much. I don't know why we are so insistent on making him throw 35+ times a game. It's stupid.

But as to fumbles, I'm glad you bring them up because there are 25 teams equal to or better than us at forcing fumbles. Just like there are 28 teams that have the same or more INTs as us. You can say "the defense isn't responsible for interceptions," but it is. It's part of the game, and good players and good schemes create turnovers.

Yeah it's going to be fun seeing everyone bitch at the defense after they get scored on after the way they just started. I look forward to it.

And again, there's no correlation between any defense's statistics and interceptions. It's all about quarterbacks. Defenses who stop teams on yards, don't get any more interceptions than others. Defenses who stop teams on points don't get any more interceptions than others. Defenses who are better in fumbles don't get any more interceptions than others.

The defenses who get most interceptions are those who have schedules against interception machines.

Defense again baby!!! That's twice for our D! See how good they can be against poo quarterbacks?

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You know what's hilarious about you guys? You keep calling me a hater or a troll or whatever for basically simply putting the blame where it belongs. And you have argued against every single point I have made just about every single week this year and every single point I have made about Cam Newton. Yet the next day or that week after the game, Cam Newton basically comes out and echoes what I say by saying practically the same thing:

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Panthers-Huddle/62b7a4eb-5862-4136-bbb3-905f8af8c978#?id=46a240ea-36bb-44b2-b4c5-712b9d55fef3&channelName=Recent

I think it's funny as hell. He knows what the problem is. I know what the problem is. That's your problem with this team. He knows it. I know it. Decision making. Holding the ball too long. Needs to make faster decisions. Reading defenses.

I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to blame someone else, or some other part of the team like the defense, or call other people haters or trolls, instead of attacking the problem head on. Nothing will get fixed and neither will the wins until he starts doing exactly that right there. Just what he says.

"Things I could have done better:

-getting rid of the ball quicker

-throwing the ball away

-an incompletion is second and 10 rather than 2nd and 17

was it something you haven't seen or was it execution?

-execution

- you can't throw hot if those guys are still in coverage under pressure. you gotta pick them out. "

Your own freaking quarterback is saying the same damn thing I am. That right there is what he doesn't have down yet. And that last part, he's right in that he can't. But that's what he needs to be able to do. That's what happens in the 4th quarter. That's what happens in the red-zone. The windows and throwing lanes get tight. The other stuff above is easy. Those will become habits if he's coached right and learns to be disciplined. But quick and accurate passes under pressure, on point, that's the hardest part of a quarterback's job. And those windows come and go in a split second. If you're not quick, and lightning fast with your decision making, you will miss them and either get sacked or be forced to dump it off to your "safe option" for a crap throw. Or tuck and run. You end up reacting to the defense, instead of being the one to act.

The only thing he's missing in that interview "not throwing a pick and scoring in the red-zone" but that should be a damn given to anyone. And those are the type of things Andy Dalton or The Golden Calf of Bristol do better than him right now. The basics. Without that you lose. Without that you are inefficient. Without that you can't be a good passer or quarterback.

And finally...

"I don't care if people think I'm poor leader or a sore loser. If i don't win I'm gonna pitch a fit."

lol. And honestly, I don't have a problem with him being an arrogant hot head either as long as he starts winning. But being able to handle this part when it looks like we're about to lose the game is also important. If you don't get it together, you quit before the fat lady sings. You lose yourself and hurt yourself before the time comes.

He has everything he needs to succeed as far as physical ability. He's missing the basics of QB play, decision making and the strategy part of the game. But you can't do it without those things. From the way he talks he understands more about the the emotional and physical part of the game versus the skill part of the game. He talks about the fun part of the game. He talks about excitement. But he says almost nothing about the strategy which is a MUST as a quarterback. It is a skilled position.

Whereas a pro like Steve Smith:

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Panthers-Huddle/62b7a4eb-5862-4136-bbb3-905f8af8c978

GETS IT!

Until Cam Newton can start describing his duties like that and what's going on in the game in that type of strategic manner, instead with his momma's sayings, he's not going to be a good NFL quarterback. I honestly don't think we're going to get better until next year. He needs quarterback school. That's what he's missing. The strategy. The basics. Being efficient. Dissecting defenses. Quick thinking and decision making.

And it pisses me off when people wanna blame the defense, when this is the main reason we are losing.

PS: There it is Chef...your "causation" for our offensive inefficiency straight from the horse's mouth.

1. The first link goes to a video with Smith, nowhere does it show Cam saying what you say.

2. Cam saying what he can do better is not equal to you saying the offense is "the" problem and the defense isn't a problem at all

3. What the hell are you talking about causation?

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1. The first link goes to a video with Smith, nowhere does it show Cam saying what you say.

2. Cam saying what he can do better is not equal to you saying the offense is "the" problem and the defense isn't a problem at all

3. What the hell are you talking about causation?

He's so caught up in his babble that he's confused you with me.

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