Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

[mav1234]

aww you wily bastard you almost got me this time, but haa-haa, I have Skyrim!

[MWCarolina]

Cam Newton is more popular than Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is a better QB and is winning. And I promise you Bengals fans wouldn't trade AJ Green and Dalton for Cam Newton.

let me first say, i dont think Dalton is a better QB than Newton, i think he has more talent around him than Cam does, BUT that doesnt mean he's bad, he's also good, but i think Newton is better. AS for The Golden Calf of Bristol (what i thought the thread was about, you know The Golden Calf of Bristol vs. Newton), Cam is CLEARLY a better passing QB than The Golden Calf of Bristol, but somehow, someway, The Golden Calf of Bristol gets it done in the clutch. if you keep the score low enough, then he can win it for you in the end.

[BBQ&Beer]

I already showed you causation. I showed enough proof of causation to convince even the Pope himself, Jesus was just another narcissist like Cam Newton.

I think the Pope would concede that point before you all would. So perhaps take a lesson from other fanatics and pray real hard that tomorrow Cam Newton isn't going to play like he did most of the season and we might win a game against an efficient offense.

Uh-oh....

The butthurt it showing again. Now Cam is a narcissist? How so? Oh btw, you might want to actually look up the definition first.

Also, repeating a claim over & over doesn't make it true even if you cherry pick stats.

[TrueDat]

Uh-oh....

The butthurt it showing again. Now Cam is a narcissist? How so? Oh btw, you might want to actually look up the definition first.

Also, repeating a claim over & over doesn't make it true even if you cherry pick stats.

Oh believe me I have already debated this other false perception a long time ago. I am fully aware of what defines a narcissist.

How is he a narcissist? Because he is. Because every man on the damn planet is a narcissist. Because he is an NFL player, and they are all narcissists. How much of a narc you are, oth, now that's a completely different story.

And it's just my personal opinion that he's a big one. Whether or not he fits the definition is not a matter of opinion.

[mav1234]

it's your opinion that he is a narcissist, unless you are mincing words and talking about the believed healthy level of "self love" or whatever. most people these days who talk about narcissists are referring to individuals with an excessive obsession with themselves, and I don't think we have any proof that Cam suffers from any sort of serious narcissism at all.

We have examples of immaturity of youth but so far he appears to have outgrown a lot of his transgressions.

[TrueDat]

it's your opinion that he is a narcissist, unless you are mincing words and talking about the believed healthy level of "self love" or whatever. most people these days who talk about narcissists are referring to individuals with an excessive obsession with themselves, and I don't think we have any proof that Cam suffers from any sort of serious narcissism at all.

We have examples of immaturity of youth but so far he appears to have outgrown a lot of his transgressions.

That's what I said the first time. It was my opinion. Most people these days are wrong about a lot of other things too when it comes to what things really mean or what they are defined as.

Such as what defines an efficient offense. Or a winning team. Or who is to blame. Most are wrong ;)

Most Indians are wrong about the whole sacred cow thing if you ask me, but they're not going to agree. But I personally feel pretty safe the steak I ate last week isn't going to send me to hell. Don't you?

[mav1234]

I misunderstood your post. When you said it was not a matter of opinion of if Cam fit the definition or not I thought you were asserting he was a narcissist, and that it was your opinion he was a "big one."

[TrueDat]

I misunderstood your post. When you said it was not a matter of opinion of if Cam fit the definition or not I thought you were asserting he was a narcissist, and that it was your opinion he was a "big one."

I am asserting that he fits the definition, as it is defined by most dictionaries, or the APA but it is my opinion as far as the quantity of it. Because the issue once again is, there's is no agreeable definition of what a narcissist is by the majority of the people. Everyone has a different opinion of what it means to them. But when it comes to authority sources, there's a fairly clear definition, and he certainly fits it.

That's my point with football as well. Someone's gotta define the terms, and stats and what they are in order for everything to make sense and for both teams to agree. And someone, the referee needs to know the definitions and rules. And the better they are at it, the better the game works.

But most people have their own "opinion" of what some of the rules are, or in this case, the duties of a position, or responsibilities, whereas the NFL is VERY clear in their rules. There's very little room for being subjective when it comes to the rules, only when it comes to observation. That's why referees sometimes get it wrong. Their observation is subjective.

People's observation of what's wrong with the Panthers is generally subjective. Not objective. If you get as close as possible to the the rules of football, how it's played, how the stats are tracked and how they are applied, it leaves little room for subjective interpretation. Like for example, once you understand what YPP is and how it works and how it's tracked like I described above, it leaves little doubt it's the absolute measurement of a team's efficiency. But most people still don't have the logic of the game down, and why it works in the first place. The rest don't want to accept that it's by definition a ratio of points/yards efficiency, which is your scoring offense efficiency, because that's exactly what it is in the first place. Nothing I can do about people who refuse to accept known facts though. It's up to you to think or learn what you may not know. But something's gotta give. You either accept the definition as it is and accept it because it always matches up with the results, because there's plenty of authoritative sources that rely on it, or take the time to learn the logic of how and why it works. The more time you spend discounting it or arguing against the reason it's defined as such, the more time you waste.

[chef17]

Because Fox is playing a style that really hurts The Golden Calf of Bristol's passing. But at certain times when they have to score Fox will allow The Golden Calf of Bristol to speed up the pace.. and this is when The Golden Calf of Bristol's passing dramatically proves..

The point is if cam was playing this style of offense his completion percentage would be even worse.

It;s The Golden Calf of Bristol's own running ability that also causes the Broncos to run the ball so well which is why The Golden Calf of Bristol doesn't need to rely on his passing.. so not passing so much doesn't allow you to get in a rhythm as a passer.. But when he has to make a completion to get a win in the clutch he does it.

No.. it's a smart way to throw when you ARE accurate.. look at the score of the game.. they were tied or just a score behind. There was no need to make unnecessary risks. Fox is just using the offense much o the time to control the clock and rest his defense..

IF the Broncos were down and their d wasn't containing or controlling the opposing D then The Golden Calf of Bristol would take more risks and his completion percentage would be up.

But also The Golden Calf of Bristol being a more dominant runner than Cam allows him to not have to rely on his passing which is why he doesn't turn the ball over.

Lions game Broncos lost 45-10. The Golden Calf of Bristol went 18-39 for 46%. Your theory is bullshit. The Golden Calf of Bristol has a horrible completion percentage whether he throws 8 times or 40

[TrueDat]

You know what's hilarious about you guys? You keep calling me a hater or a troll or whatever for basically simply putting the blame where it belongs. And you have argued against every single point I have made just about every single week this year and every single point I have made about Cam Newton. Yet the next day or that week after the game, Cam Newton basically comes out and echoes what I say by saying practically the same thing:

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Panthers-Huddle/62b7a4eb-5862-4136-bbb3-905f8af8c978#?id=46a240ea-36bb-44b2-b4c5-712b9d55fef3&channelName=Recent

I think it's funny as hell. He knows what the problem is. I know what the problem is. That's your problem with this team. He knows it. I know it. Decision making. Holding the ball too long. Needs to make faster decisions. Reading defenses.

I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to blame someone else, or some other part of the team like the defense, or call other people haters or trolls, instead of attacking the problem head on. Nothing will get fixed and neither will the wins until he starts doing exactly that right there. Just what he says.

"Things I could have done better:

-getting rid of the ball quicker

-throwing the ball away

-an incompletion is second and 10 rather than 2nd and 17

was it something you haven't seen or was it execution?

-execution

- you can't throw hot if those guys are still in coverage under pressure. you gotta pick them out. "

Your own freaking quarterback is saying the same damn thing I am. That right there is what he doesn't have down yet. And that last part, he's right in that he can't. But that's what he needs to be able to do. That's what happens in the 4th quarter. That's what happens in the red-zone. The windows and throwing lanes get tight. The other stuff above is easy. Those will become habits if he's coached right and learns to be disciplined. But quick and accurate passes under pressure, on point, that's the hardest part of a quarterback's job. And those windows come and go in a split second. If you're not quick, and lightning fast with your decision making, you will miss them and either get sacked or be forced to dump it off to your "safe option" for a crap throw. Or tuck and run. You end up reacting to the defense, instead of being the one to act.

The only thing he's missing in that interview "not throwing a pick and scoring in the red-zone" but that should be a damn given to anyone. And those are the type of things Andy Dalton or The Golden Calf of Bristol do better than him right now. The basics. Without that you lose. Without that you are inefficient. Without that you can't be a good passer or quarterback.

And finally...

"I don't care if people think I'm poor leader or a sore loser. If i don't win I'm gonna pitch a fit."

lol. And honestly, I don't have a problem with him being an arrogant hot head either as long as he starts winning. But being able to handle this part when it looks like we're about to lose the game is also important. If you don't get it together, you quit before the fat lady sings. You lose yourself and hurt yourself before the time comes.

He has everything he needs to succeed as far as physical ability. He's missing the basics of QB play, decision making and the strategy part of the game. But you can't do it without those things. From the way he talks he understands more about the the emotional and physical part of the game versus the skill part of the game. He talks about the fun part of the game. He talks about excitement. But he says almost nothing about the strategy which is a MUST as a quarterback. It is a skilled position.

Whereas a pro like Steve Smith:

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Panthers-Huddle/62b7a4eb-5862-4136-bbb3-905f8af8c978

GETS IT!

Until Cam Newton can start describing his duties like that and what's going on in the game in that type of strategic manner, instead with his momma's sayings, he's not going to be a good NFL quarterback. I honestly don't think we're going to get better until next year. He needs quarterback school. That's what he's missing. The strategy. The basics. Being efficient. Dissecting defenses. Quick thinking and decision making.

And it pisses me off when people wanna blame the defense, when this is the main reason we are losing.

PS: There it is Chef...your "causation" for our offensive inefficiency straight from the horse's mouth.

[Jangler]

[TrueDat]

Hey nobody's bitching about Cam Newton being a rookie. Once again, I get that part. I just hate it when people try to put the blame on some other part of the team when that's the primary reason we're losing, while our defense has been the more efficient side of this team.

[DaCityKats]

Hey nobody's bitching about Cam Newton being a rookie. Once again, I get that part. I just hate it when people try to put the blame on some other part of the team when that's the primary reason we're losing, while our defense has been the more efficient side of this team.

thats the dumbest poo I have seen in a while.its the offense fault that the defense give up 30 points a game.

[TrueDat]

thats the dumbest poo I have seen in a while.its the offense fault that the defense give up 30 points a game.

Actually, yes it is. You have just hit the nail in the head and if you only knew how true that actually is, I wouldn't be bitching as much. It's counter intuitive, but it is exactly 100% true backed up by every statistic imaginable.