Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

[tiger7_88]

Cam has faced horrible teams to start the season

Green Bay (9-0), New Orleans (7-3), Chicago (6-3), Atlanta (5-4) and Tennessee (5-4) are horrible teams?

Really?

[teeray]

As far as saying The Golden Calf of Bristol is better than Cam. There are some arguments that are literally too stupid to respond to. This is one of those times.

[pawsandclaws]

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Directly trying to compare them is foolish. But you can compare things like throwing motion, accuracy, etc... And there I think Cam is ahead of The Golden Calf of Bristol.

The reason you think that is simply because he is in a more uptempo offense.. it's fool's gold.

So an up tempo offense affects your throwing motion?

[mav1234]

The point is if The Golden Calf of Bristol was playing a more aggressive offense his numbers would look better too.. but unlike Cam he would still be winning. And if Cam was playing in The Golden Calf of Bristol's offense his numbers would suffer too.. even more so than The Golden Calf of Bristol - all things being equal.

The reason you think that is simply because he is in a more uptempo offense.. it's fool's gold.

This is nothing more than conjecture. Even when in the shotgun, given time, The Golden Calf of Bristol is inaccurate. It's just a consequence of his throwing motion. Cam is running a totally different offense from The Golden Calf of Bristol/Denver. It's not just "more uptempo."

It;s just funny that when The Golden Calf of Bristol plays well his team always gets the credit and when Cam doe something he gets all the credit.. why is that?

I don't have any idea what you're talking about there. The Golden Calf of Bristol is getting plenty of credit for his The Golden Calf of Bristol Time miracles. The problem is, until he is able to do that stuff more often than once at the very end of games, it just seems unlikely he'll have sustained success. Winning a handful of games at mid season doesn't make you a better QB than a rookie on an awful team.

People use completion percentage to determine accuracy.

People who rely on completion percentage for accuracy are talking heads or uninformed fans. Watch the games. The Golden Calf of Bristol's accuracy is awful even when given time. He's made some nice plays, but by and large he has trouble throwing the ball with accuracy in any kind of window at all. But my point was that TD/INT ratio is an *awful* way to judge accuracy.

One thing you are forgetting is that Cam's receivers are always wide open because they are so great.. his line is also stellar.. look how bad Cam's accuracy got last game when his line was playing bad like The Golden Calf of Bristol's..

Cam's receiver are not always wide open. He throws them open often enough. He also doesn't have a stellar pass blocking line at all (He's being sacked about 2.4 times a game compared to The Golden Calf of Bristol's 2.5). As Panthers fans, we know what our receivers are capable of based on last year, and let me tell you, if they don't have a decent QB throwing to them it doesn't matter who they are. Smitty included (though he is elite when he has a guy who can get him the ball).

[mav1234]

So tell me what the rationale is for saying cam is better than The Golden Calf of Bristol? Hes taller? That's a harder ball? He throws a harder ball than Brady and Peyton.. does that mean he will be better than them?

Cam's mechanics are far more sound and he is much more accurate. So far we have seen nothing to suggest Cam has any issues with work ethic and certainly nothing at all with leadership abilities, so at worst those are pushes. When it comes to the technical aspect of the game, Cam is doing quite well for a rookie. He has room to improve, yes, but he's looked leagues better than most of us thought he would. He has been asked to carry an offense and he has shown the ability to throw a ton of balls per game and has generally done a good job of that in games that were against some big time opponents. He's made his mistakes, but when you start a rookie you expect for those to happen, especially with a defense/special teams playing like ours are.

The Golden Calf of Bristol's greatest asset on the field - putting aside leadership - is his athleticism, and this is a push at best with Cam, and may actually be an area Cam is superior to The Golden Calf of Bristol in.

When both players have had more time in the NFL we can make a bit better of a comparison, but we have an extremely limited sample size for either of them. Still, from what I've seen so far, I think that The Golden Calf of Bristol is so mechanically unsound and has such trouble delivering accurate passes that his style of play will run into trouble once people start keying into him - the same way Vick did with the Falcons back in the day.

[teeray]

I don't have any idea what you're talking about there. The Golden Calf of Bristol is getting plenty of credit for his The Golden Calf of Bristol Time miracles. The problem is, until he is able to do that stuff more often than once at the very end of games, it just seems unlikely he'll have sustained success. Winning a handful of games at mid season doesn't make you a better QB than a rookie on an awful team.

You mean Matt Moore isn't awesome because of his 4-1 stretch at the end of 2009?!?!? GTFO!

:jc:

[mav1234]

You mean Matt Moore isn't awesome because of his 4-1 stretch at the end of 2009?!?!? GTFO!

you jerk, you know I love moore, gtfo

[Decleater]

Green Bay (9-0), New Orleans (7-3), Chicago (6-3), Atlanta (5-4) and Tennessee (5-4) are horrible teams?

Really?

You forgot a couple teams there! Even Orton almost beat Tennessee... with a lesser offense too.. and just as bad D.

Atlanta barely beat Seattle.. lol

Seattle beat the Cardinals who Cam couldn't beat..

[tiger7_88]

Using that run game of Tebows to make the runners around him so good allows Fox to play a very very tough ball control defensive game. This ultra slow conservative game MAKES The Golden Calf of Bristol look so bad passing the ball.. as well as the Broncos opponent.

The truly sad thing is that, even though you are an uber-troll, there's a 99.99% chance that you really believe what you said above.

[mav1234]

know why The Golden Calf of Bristol and the broncos say a prayer after every completion? because it's a miracle the ball was within 10 yards of his receiver! haar... harr... ok, bad joke, offensive, my apologies. honest.

I actually like The Golden Calf of Bristol a lot and I hope he can keep getting better, I just think it is funny to hear people think he is a better passer at this point than... well, than any other QB in the league.

[Decleater]

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Directly trying to compare them is foolish. But you can compare things like throwing motion, accuracy, etc... And there I think Cam is ahead of The Golden Calf of Bristol.

The reason you think that is simply because he is in a more uptempo offense.. it's fool's gold.

So an up tempo offense affects your throwing motion?

A slow tempo predictable offense that relies on the run game.. and a poor run game at that makes it very tough on you passing numbers.

Cam is passing on every down.. and has very good receivers and protection. This is why he looks so good.. when The Golden Calf of Bristol plays an uptempo no huddle style and isn't forced to rly on an ineffective run game which puts him in a bad position his offense and passing blossom.

That The Golden Calf of Bristol has no turnovers in this type of offense in his wins is incredible.. Cam could not do that in the same offense...

The Golden Calf of Bristol is also not a dink and dunker.. Cam is.. So was Orton..this is also why the numbers are so deceptive..

This is also why The Golden Calf of Bristol needs a better line.. because deep passing is the best part of his game.

[mav1234]

i dunno if I'd call the Broncos a poor run game, considering they are top 5 in ypa, yards per game, and #2 in total yards.

edit: alright you are either trolling or don't watch our games if you think Cam is, right now, a dink and dunk passer... he is most definitely operating in a vertical offense.

[Decleater]

know why The Golden Calf of Bristol and the broncos say a prayer after every completion? because it's a miracle the ball was within 10 yards of his receiver! haar... harr... ok, bad joke, offensive, my apologies. honest.

I actually like The Golden Calf of Bristol a lot and I hope he can keep getting better, I just think it is funny to hear people think he is a better passer at this point than... well, than any other QB in the league.

But this just shows how stupid people are.. Orton was considered a good passer..

And The Golden Calf of Bristol is winning with the same team and Orton couldn't.. worse in fact. The Golden Calf of Bristol lost Lloyd before he was made starter.

Orton's numbers and play went in the tank in Fox's slow tempo offense too.

Kyle Orton had TWO road wins in his last 28 games.. The Golden Calf of Bristol had 3 road wins in his first his first 7 starts..

People think just because The Golden Calf of Bristol is so conservative passing he can't pass.. he hasn't needed to be less conservative.. because of the style of play they have. And he makes less mistakes and is more efficient than other QBs in this style.. Cam too..

[Decleater]

i dunno if I'd call the Broncos a poor run game, considering they are top 5 in ypa, yards per game, and #2 in total yards.

That is BECAUSE of The Golden Calf of Bristol.. before The Golden Calf of Bristol became the starter they were one of the wost run teams.. Because Orton is a dink and dunker like Cam.. this kills your run game. cam;s best throws are his short passes.

edit: alright you are either trolling or don't watch our games if you think Cam is, right now, a dink and dunk passer... he is most definitely operating in a vertical offense.

BECAUSE he has Steve Smith.. and great receivers opening the field and a great line protecting him..and has faced lockout Ds.

Cam's first couple games teams didn't even know he could pass because he was so atrocious in preseason.

How did Cam even start with that preseason? And Steven A Smith is railing against The Golden Calf of Bristol being made a starter.. lol It's absurd.