Football Outsiders updated Panthers statistics

[PantherProwler]

It doesn't matter if it's calculated "per drive" or not. It's calculated the same way...

80 yard TD drive resulting in a td = 11.4 YPP

Three 80 yard TD drives across a game all resulting in a TD = 11.4 YPP

Gaining 240 total yards on offense (net passing + rushing) and scoring 21 points = 11.4 YPP.

Yes I know this what is your point? You said special teams yards are not added.

I just showed you they were. They are included.

[Cat'sGrowl]

How many email addresses do you have?

[rayzor]

How many email addresses do you have?

you don't need a real one, apparently, to join here. there is no validation.

just wondering why this clown feels it necessary to create a new alt every other day.

i'm also wondering what the mods/admin are doing about it..

[chef17]

Was that too difficult for you?

Hilarious that you think an offense can go 100 yards. Apparently football is too difficult for you.

[DaCityKats]

why is this guys even still allowed on here?

[PantherProwler]

Hilarious that you think an offense can go 100 yards. Apparently football is too difficult for you.

If I start at the 0.1 inch marker. I can go 99.9 yards. It rounds to 100. Everything in NFL statistics rounds to the decimal.

192 points /9 games = 21.333333333333333333333333infinite.

The NFL rounds it to 21.4 How hilarious is it really?

[PantherProwler]

why is this guys even still allowed on here?

I'm just curious why you think I shouldn't be.

[Jangler]

cuz you are full of sh!t?

[rayzor]

why is this guys even still allowed on here?

because he keeps on making new accounts and the admin can't/won't do anything about it?

less people are responding to him, but there's still far too many.

the only hope he has is to make a new alt every day or two and hope that it takes people a few posts to realize who it is before they put him on ignore.

[Montsta]

I'm just curious why you think I shouldn't be.

It doesn't matter if you are spot on with your facts or you are just trolling for lulz, if so many people dislike you that you need to make 10 different accounts, isn't that a red flag to you that you are the one that is doing something wrong?

[mav1234]

Holy hell, how do you not understand YPP?

And a kick/punt return is not worth 14.2. It's worth 16.67. A touchdown is worth 6 points. Likewise a touchdown is worth 100 yards.

100/6 = 16.67(for the special teams offense for example)

Average offensive ypp is 16.67(this number is a constant ypp ratio for a 6 point score).

Half a field: 50/3 = 16.67. A FG is worth 50 yards.

Special teams yards ARE NOT COUNTED. ALL that counts is the yards the offense generates. JUST THE OFFENSE. Not SPECIAL TEAMS! Teeray did this earlier, but let's look at our game against Tennessee.

Tennessee:

Yards rushing: 172

Net yards passing: 211

Total yards by the offense: 383

Total points by the team: 30

YPP: 12.76 (383/30), the YPP given at http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point which is the site you were using.

POINTS SCORED BY THE OFFENSE: 23.

POINTS SCORED BY SPECIAL TEAMS: 7

SPECIAL TEAMS YARDS: 110

Now tell me, where in YPP is the special teams yards calculated? You know why you can't find it? Because it isn't. This can't be more clear or more simple. YPP is one of the simplest ways to show a team's scoring efficiency, but it shows so much more than just the offense.

Look dude, maybe you've created a new "YPP" that isn't the YPP the rest of the fugging world uses, that's fine. I honestly can't tell if you are serious anymore because you are smarter than this.

If your offense has 100 total yards(50 passing, 50 rushing) and 3 points in a game but your defense (INT return) and special teams (punt return) each score a touchdown, your total yards would be 100 and your total points would be 17, giving you a YPP of 5.88. Yet you won't find anyone that says 3 points on 100 yards for an entire game is good offense. Yet a 5.88 YPP is pretty damn low... but does it directly relate to the offense? No. It relates to the team as a whole.

[mav1234]

nfl.com says 21.1 points everywhere I can find for us...

why do you think we have 192 points??

[teeray]

But here's proof of it the easy way:

100(special teams punt return yards) + 80 +150= 330/ 21 points

330/21 = 15.7

C= ypp constant for 7 points and 1 drive

C= Field/7

C= 100/7

C=14.28

game ypp =(C + drives ypp)/ number of drives(including the constant means you add 1 drive)

game ypp = (14.28 + 80/7+150/7)/ 3

game ypp = (14.28 + 11.42 +21.42)/3

game ypp = 47.12/3

game ypp = 15.7

Now you can do that any way you want. They are included as a ratio. They have to be! SO for the last time. EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED AND ACCOUNTED FOR IN YPP. EVERYTHING. It's just one big math formula. And it tracks the entire freaking game. All of it. Every single inch of a yard. Where it came from. Every penalty. It can all be explained by freaking math, algebra, calculus and statistics. It's is the ultimate measurement. And that's all football is. One big chess game of numbers, possible moves and points.

But this one long complicated ass way of basically doing this "total offense yards"/ "scoring offense".

Total offensive efficiency 400 yards per game/ 21.1 points. = 18.9 = 25th.

PS: NFL.com has 21.4 ppg listed. 21.4*9 = 192. So take it up with them. I went off of their official number.

I wish you didn't go through all that trouble to make a confusing formula that is still incorrect.

To break your long winded explanation down it is basically saying that if you counted a 100 yard kickoff TD in total yards and if you also counted it in your formula the math would be the same. 15.7 YPP.

Only problem is that your initial calculation for YPP is incorrect.

If you were actually totaling YPP the way it is actually calculated, in your example it wouldn't be 330/21. It would be 230/21. Total offensive yardage/total points. Special teams yardage isn't a part of total yardage therefore you cannot add the 100 yards for a punt or kick off return. That means the YPP for that example is actually 10.95 (230/21). Not 15.7

However this is a great example of just how much a special teams TD or a defensive TD can inflate a YPP and why it isn't used by most people as an offensive efficiency measure. But I am not sure that is the point you were trying to make.

[teeray]

Holy hell, how do you not understand YPP?

Special teams yards ARE NOT COUNTED. ALL that counts is the yards the offense generates. JUST THE OFFENSE. Not SPECIAL TEAMS! Teeray did this earlier, but let's look at our game against Tennessee.

Tennessee:

Yards rushing: 172

Net yards passing: 211

Total yards by the offense: 383

Total points by the team: 30

YPP: 12.76 (383/30), the YPP given at http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point which is the site you were using.

POINTS SCORED BY THE OFFENSE: 23.

POINTS SCORED BY SPECIAL TEAMS: 7

SPECIAL TEAMS YARDS: 110

Now tell me, where in YPP is the special teams yards calculated? You know why you can't find it? Because it isn't. This can't be more clear or more simple. YPP is one of the simplest ways to show a team's scoring efficiency, but it shows so much more than just the offense.

Look dude, maybe you've created a new "YPP" that isn't the YPP the rest of the fugging world uses, that's fine. I honestly can't tell if you are serious anymore because you are smarter than this.

If your offense has 100 total yards(50 passing, 50 rushing) and 3 points in a game but your defense (INT return) and special teams (punt return) each score a touchdown, your total yards would be 100 and your total points would be 17, giving you a YPP of 5.88. Yet you won't find anyone that says 3 points on 100 yards is good offense. Yet a 5.88 YPP is pretty damn low... but does it directly relate to the offense? No. It relates to the team as a whole.

This sums it up pretty nicely.