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I am going to go ahead and apologize.

PantherBrew

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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If I'm not mistaken, as obviously I don't follow the Texans closely, they were already a 3-4, then tried to switch to a 4-3 last season or the season before... Point being, they were already built for a 3-4 and had plenty of personnel to fit the scheme.

Once Phillips got there, he just switched them back to a base 3-4 and obviously is doing very well with it. But, it didn't happen in one year, they already had the pieces for it in place.

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ok cool man. thanks for your glorious input.

Look dude. You and a lot of others seem to have trouble grasping that yards alone does not make a defense or an offense top 10 in anything other than yards. You need the points to match up with the yards for an offense and the plays for a defense as well as schedule. It's scoring efficiency, yards per point, and turnovers that you need to look at when ranking offenses and yards per play for defense.

The defense you are looking at, the Texans, are ranked high and that's all it says if you just look at that. But if they are facing inefficient offenses who are turning over the ball their defense is going to be ranked high. And they are:

Houston defense has faced the following offenses: Indianapolis(31st), Miami(23rd), Pittsburg(22nd), New Orleans(8th), Oakland(20th), Baltimore(7th), Tennessee(26th), Jacksonville(26th), Cleveland(29th), Tampa Bay(27th)

They faced 2 good offenses. We would be ranked #1 too if we had their schedule! And they are actually ranked 3rd in yards per play which is what you should look at for a defense. If you just look at the ranking itself it says nothing about how good the Texans defense really is.

So if you all just like talking stats for the hell of starting conversations, knock yourselves out but you're having conversations based on fiction and not reality. It doesn't mean a damn think when not taking into consideration schedule and the offenses they are playing. Illusions and poor usage of football stats.

Same goes for the offense and here's a much better indication of your "top 10 offenses":

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

And even those aren't your "true" top 10 because you have to do the same thing I did for the Texans for each one and re-rank them when you figure out who they played. So I'm sorry to break it to you, but your glorious opening post is one complete bullpoo statistical illusion.

On offense, we have been ranked near the bottom of the league from the first day. We are now ranked the 25th worst ranked offense in the league. The yards are mainly a result of Steve Smith's yards after catch, and Sunday was a testament to that.

Even against Arizona, we were ranked low. 477 yards/21 point = 22.7 ypp (31st)

Against GB 475/23 = 20.6 ypp(30th)

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

Now these teams have some of the worst defenses in the NFL for yards allowed so it makes it even worse. We never were a good offense. We still aren't. The only two teams we beat were teams with more inefficient offenses than us, Jacksonville(26th) and Washington(30th) despite Jacksonville's better defense. Part of this is turnovers, part of it is facing efficient offenses that don't turn over the ball much, and the biggest part is simply not finishing.

If we would have finished our close games, and didn't turn over the ball in a couple of critical situations than this would have made us both a top 10 offense, and a winning one as well, and a better ranked defense. Easy schedule helps the most though.

The reason we didn't finish had a lot to do with Cam Newton's play in the 4th quarter in comeback winning or game winning drive situations. 1 winning drive out of 14 possessions and an average ~50% completion ratio, or under if you count sacks, in those instances(68.0 QB rating). It's impossible to win a close games, when you need to pass more when your completion ratio drops under 50% and can't score in the red-zone. It's just not going to happen.

Reason for this could be he has an issue with passing under tight windows, when NFL defenses get stout to protect leads late in the game and in the red-zone, under pressure when he has to release quickly. But that's ALL it would have taken for us to have a winning record and nobody would be tearing our team apart. Just scoring in those moments and finishing those games would have dramatically improved our defense's ranking by a few spots.

Now, I don't know why he has so much trouble will all of this but he does. Is it media pressure, is it because he's expected to win, is it his inability to read defenses when he needs to do it fast, especially in the red-zone, is it him putting too much pressure on himself, I have no idea. But if he can fix that we can win. If he doesn't we won't win no matter what you do to this team.

Draft whoever you wanna draft on defense, special teams, it won't matter. No teams blow out other teams consistently or win with a lead consistently. You have to win your close ones. You have to get better at protecting the ball so you're a more efficient offense and you don't put yourself in a position to play in close, 4th quarter games, when you're not most effective. But 1 out of 7 is not cutting especially when you got 14 possessions in those 7 games to try to put them away. You gotta do better than that and without him focusing and maintaining clarity and composure as well as poise late in the game, it just won't ever happen.

So it would do everyone some good if they took the time to understand how these teams really rank before comparomg them out of context, and without really understandings which stats are meaningful and which ones are not. Yards and Points, alone, for either offense or defense means nothing.

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And that's why by this time tomorrow you will still be ignorant when it comes to football stats and how good teams are, or how good the Panthers offense and defense are.

Can't say I didn't try to help my fan base out. But just in case you talk to a real football analyst who knows this, and they laugh at you when you tell them the Texans have the best defense in the league, just know they're not the idiot and they have a good reason to be laughing.

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And that's why by this time tomorrow you will still be ignorant when it comes to football stats and how good teams are, or how good the Panthers offense and defense are.

Can't say I didn't try to help my fan base out. But just in case you talk to a real football analyst who knows this, and they laugh at you when you tell them the Texans have the best defense in the league, just know they're not the idiot and they have a good reason to be laughing.

Me [speaking to myself]: OMg, I think that is Mike Mayock. I am gonna go talk to him.

Me [speaking to Mike]: Hey, Mr. Mayock. Don't you think the Texans have a good Defense?

Mike: fug you, dumb ass! Haven't you looked at advanced statistics?

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If I'm not mistaken, as obviously I don't follow the Texans closely, they were already a 3-4, then tried to switch to a 4-3 last season or the season before... Point being, they were already built for a 3-4 and had plenty of personnel to fit the scheme.

Once Phillips got there, he just switched them back to a base 3-4 and obviously is doing very well with it. But, it didn't happen in one year, they already had the pieces for it in place.

I thought so too....

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You think those are advanced statistics? That's just for beginners so you can actually have a decent football discussions.

You really thought the Texan's transformation was magical didn't you? poof - just like that you become a top 10 defense. in 6 months of NOT playing football.

Here's a hint. Take the teams with the most inefficient offenses in the league and look at which one of those have the best ranked defense. Jaguars. That's your best defense in the league this year followed by the Cleveland Browns.

Despite them having a poo offense and facing some of the biggest powerhouses on offense, the Jaguars are still ranked 5th in yards allowed. That's your best defense.

When the Texans defense runs into a good offense, they're going to be eaten alive. Just like they did against New Orleans and Baltimore.

Texan's defense against a good offense:

New Orleans 40-33 Texans 454 yards allowed

Baltimore 29-14 Texans 402 yards allowed

Yeah...best defense my ass.

PS: Just like we're not a bad defense either. We faced a string of the best offenses in the league. We actually kept the Saints to 30 with a pick from our O practically in our own red-zone. Would have been 27 if it wasn't for 3 from Rivera. And Bears? We could have kept them under 30 too if it wasn't for our coach again kicking to Hester and a pick 6 from our offense. We somehow kept Green Bay to 30 with 4 turnovers from our offense. We kept the Titans to 30 without our offense non-existent and the Titans offense being on the field all day.

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