Peter King list Carolina among teams that may be interested in Cutler

[panthers55]

There are the top 3 :

Manning, Brady, and Brees

Cutler is on par with Rivers, Mcnabb.

Peppers/Delhomme and and pick-sold! Just not 1st rd picks

How is Cutler on par with Rivers? His quarterback rating wasn't close.

Cutler's was 86, Rivers was 105 Not even close.

Cutler's completion rate was 14th in the league at 62%

Rivers was 7th at 65%.

Cutler's average yards per completion was 7.3 while River's was much better 8.4.

Rivers has playoff experience and is a tough guy although mouthy and prone to childish outbursts.

Is Cutler on par with McNabb, yeah he is. Given that McNabb got benched at one point last year what does that say about Cutler. Would you really give 2 1sts and a starting quarterback for McNabb? Then other than being younger, why would you do that for Cutler.

That is a sucker bet if I ever saw one.

By the way, what did New Orleans give up for Brees? Exactly!

Then why give up the bank for Cutler who has done little to nothing so far.

[psyburn21]

Cutler just isn't worth the price they want for him. Two firsts and a starting quarterback to boot. If this were Peyton Manning maybe so but a guy who has never been in the playoffs, be serious. Who out there in the NFL outside of Brady and P Manning would command that price? Anyone seriously think that Cutler is in the same league with Brady and Manning. Be serious. Who ever gets him for those picks will be remembered like they remember Minnesota when they picked up Hershel walker for a bunch of picks. Took them years to recover.

Instead of talking about how great Cutler is, what no one seems to consider is why is Denver so willing to get rid of him. They are eyeing 2 first rounders and a starting quarterback and laughing at whoever would take that sucker deal.

The reason why some teams are willing to possibly pay that price is one word, Potential. He's a young QB who's a legit top 10 QB after 2 years in the NFL. He also has been to the Pro Bowl and that's something that you can't say about the two 1st round picks it may take to get him. Now before you discount the whole Pro Bowl thing, think about this. Can you honestly say that that he by himself is the reason that Denver hasn't made the playoffs? Did you consider that lack of a consistent running game and solid defense as being factors into Denver's woes? Those things have to be factored in to any team's decision to purse Cutler.

Now my opinion on Cutler is this.

Will Carolina go after him? No. They aren't gonna be willing to give up more picks and they still like Jake Delhomme as QB (I do too, but he was at fault for the playoff lost).

Will Jay Cutler be a bad pick-up for the team that will eventually get him? No. Above all else he's proven that he can be an good (at times great) QB and has a great upside. He would be worth the price depending on what team he goes to and what they put around him.

[carpanfan96]

The reason why some teams are willing to possibly pay that price is one word, Potential. He's a young QB who's a legit top 10 QB after 2 years in the NFL. He also has been to the Pro Bowl and that's something that you can't say about the two 1st round picks it may take to get him. Now before you discount the whole Pro Bowl thing, think about this. Can you honestly say that that he by himself is the reason that Denver hasn't made the playoffs? Did you consider that lack of a consistent running game and solid defense as being factors into Denver's woes? Those things have to be factored in to any team's decision to purse Cutler.

Now my opinion on Cutler is this.

Will Carolina go after him? No. They aren't gonna be willing to give up more picks and they still like Jake Delhomme as QB (I do too, but he was at fault for the playoff lost).

Will Jay Cutler be a bad pick-up for the team that will eventually get him? No. Above all else he's proven that he can be an good (at times great) QB and has a great upside. He would be worth the price depending on what team he goes to and what they put around him.

You have a point with the Defense, but not with the run game. They were 12th in rushing yards, tied for 2nd in average YPC at 4.9 and got some pretty good production from the RB's TD wise. The reason the run game looked inconstant is they were almost dead last in rush attempts. Yet they were 12th in yards............Seems like a pretty good run game to me.

[panthers55]

The reason why some teams are willing to possibly pay that price is one word, Potential. He's a young QB who's a legit top 10 QB after 2 years in the NFL. He also has been to the Pro Bowl and that's something that you can't say about the two 1st round picks it may take to get him. Now before you discount the whole Pro Bowl thing, think about this. Can you honestly say that that he by himself is the reason that Denver hasn't made the playoffs? Did you consider that lack of a consistent running game and solid defense as being factors into Denver's woes? Those things have to be factored in to any team's decision to purse Cutler.

Now my opinion on Cutler is this.

Will Carolina go after him? No. They aren't gonna be willing to give up more picks and they still like Jake Delhomme as QB (I do too, but he was at fault for the playoff lost).

Will Jay Cutler be a bad pick-up for the team that will eventually get him? No. Above all else he's proven that he can be an good (at times great) QB and has a great upside. He would be worth the price depending on what team he goes to and what they put around him.

Again point out one category where Cutler is in the top 10 other than total yards which had less to do with him versus the idea they threw the ball over 600 times. That is the issue for me. He is average right now after 3 years not 2. He is going into his fourth year and has yet to break into the top 10 in any quality stat. potential- sure he does but so does a dozen other guys. Anyone want to give up 2 firsts and a starting quarterback for Matt Schaub. His numbers were all better than Cutler this year. Same for Aaron Rodgers. Even Trent Edwards was right there with Cutler.

He is average top 15 right now. Sorry but I can't see anyone giving up that much for a average guy with great potential.

He will go down as one of the worst trades years from now right up there with Hershel Walker.

[panthers55]

I'm starting to hate Delhomme more and more...Everything about that guy, I can't stand. We need a change at QB, and have needed one for a while.

GO back to the tinderbox!!!

[carpanfan96]

Again point out one category where Cutler is in the top 10 other than total yards which had less to do with him versus the idea they threw the ball over 600 times. That is the issue for me. He is average right now after 3 years not 2. He is going into his fourth year and has yet to break into the top 10 in any quality stat. potential- sure he does but so does a dozen other guys. Anyone want to give up 2 firsts and a starting quarterback for Matt Schaub. His numbers were all better than Cutler this year. Same for Aaron Rodgers. Even Trent Edwards was right there with Cutler.

He is average top 15 right now. Sorry but I can't see anyone giving up that much for a average guy with great potential.

He will go down as one of the worst trades years from now right up there with Hershel Walker.

That was what I was thinking when I kept reading that it would take at least 2 first plus a player or two to get Cutler..... 2 1st plus a player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cutler any day.

[psyburn21]

You have a point with the Defense, but not with the run game. They were 12th in rushing yards, tied for 2nd in average YPC at 4.9 and got some pretty good production from the RB's TD wise. The reason the run game looked inconstant is they were almost dead last in rush attempts. Yet they were 12th in yards............Seems like a pretty good run game to me.

Ok, I'll give you that. However, consider that the running game does turn link back to the defense inability to stop opposing offenses and allow for more rushing attempts and force the offense to throw more. Cutler was great in stretches during the season and did make a Pro Bowl, and that's why I think the price tag on him will be high. Now he had times where he was awful (most QBs can't get away with throwing that much unless your Peyton Manning or whatever QB New England is using at the time [mainly Tom Brady]), which I blame on lack of rushing attempts and bad defense.

[panthers55]

You have a point with the Defense, but not with the run game. They were 12th in rushing yards, tied for 2nd in average YPC at 4.9 and got some pretty good production from the RB's TD wise. The reason the run game looked inconstant is they were almost dead last in rush attempts. Yet they were 12th in yards............Seems like a pretty good run game to me.

Exactly. All the Cutler apologists make excuses for why he is average and ignore the facts. The guy is average and all the potential in the world won't change that. He isn't top 10 in any category but total yards. There were 6 guys who threw for over 4000 yards. Who had the worst stats of them? Cutler of course.

Beaten out by Aaron Rodgers who started for his first year. Yeah he is really worth 2 1sts and a starting quarterback.

[psyburn21]

Again point out one category where Cutler is in the top 10 other than total yards which had less to do with him versus the idea they threw the ball over 600 times. That is the issue for me. He is average right now after 3 years not 2. He is going into his fourth year and has yet to break into the top 10 in any quality stat. potential- sure he does but so does a dozen other guys. Anyone want to give up 2 firsts and a starting quarterback for Matt Schaub. His numbers were all better than Cutler this year. Same for Aaron Rodgers. Even Trent Edwards was right there with Cutler.

This is true, there are QBs who have better production. However, Schaub, Rodgers, and Edwards didn't have stretches during the season where their production was tops in the NFL. Also, his defense was terrible. When you have the burden of having to lead your team to every win and get no help from your defense at all, you will create alot of turnovers. That's why he has such a high number of pass attempts and he still didn't have a bad completion percentage.

He is average top 15 right now. Sorry but I can't see anyone giving up that much for a average guy with great potential.

He will go down as one of the worst trades years from now right up there with Hershel Walker.

No he won't. He'll be an elite QB in the right situation, with a defense that can stop other teams and not put everything on him.

[Nu Guns]

Exactly. All the Cutler apologists make excuses for why he is average and ignore the facts. The guy is average and all the potential in the world won't change that.

Are you sure you meant Cutler? You are describing Jake to a T

[carpanfan96]

Ok, I'll give you that. However, consider that the running game does turn link back to the defense inability to stop opposing offenses and allow for more rushing attempts and force the offense to throw more. Cutler was great in stretches during the season and did make a Pro Bowl, and that's why I think the price tag on him will be high. Now he had times where he was awful (most QBs can't get away with throwing that much unless your Peyton Manning or whatever QB New England is using at the time [mainly Tom Brady]), which I blame on lack of rushing attempts and bad defense.

What's really funny about his defense is he couldn't win with his and everyone is making excuses, but River's won with his defense........

Difference between the two defenses......

SD ranked 25th in yards allowed.

Denver ranked 29th in yards allowed.

Yard difference per game --- 24.7 yard difference per game

Points per game difference 7.3

Time of Possession difference - .9 secs

Offensive turnovers -

Denver 12 fumbles & 18 Interceptions = 30 turnovers by the offense.

San Diego 9 fumbles & 11 interceptions = 20 turnovers by the offense.

Cutler turnover's 20. 18 interceptions and 5 fumbles total with 2 fumbles lost.

[panthers55]

Exactly. That is why it would be crazy to mortgage our franchise future for an average guy when we already have one. Now if Brady, Brees or Eli were on the block it would be a different matter.

[Nu Guns]

In games where the Broncos have allowed 21 points or fewer, Cutler is an impressive 13-1, and that only loss was to Green Bay in 2007 when the Packers won the coin toss and Brett Favre threw an 82-yard touchdown pass on the first play of overtime.

[carolinarolls]

lmao at 55 trying to convince us (and himself) that Cutler would not be better for the Panthers than Jake would be.