When does the blame start landing on Rivera

[realtriumph]

The Panthers are not your team. Get back to whipping up that Draino milkshake and impart more wisdom later.

I disagree. I don't think the Panthers are yours and your name needs to be changed.

You are a Cam Newton fan. Just like most of the sellouts. I am a true Carolina Panthers fan. And I know when my team is being taken for a ride.

I know when my defense does good. I know when my receivers do good. I know who is letting down who. I know when my vets are busting their ass for a rookie and I can see when a rookie QB plays bad.

I understand what it means for my team to be playing under a rookie QB who averages less than 50% completion percentage in 4th quarter comebacks. I understand what it means for my team to bear a quarterback whose rating is 68.0 in 4th quarter comebacks but is ranked near the bottom of the league in interceptions so we play close 4th quarter games all year that we have no chance to win.

I care about the other 52 members on this Carolina Panthers team. You don't.

I want the team to win. You don't. I know what's going to take for my team to win, and it will be better play at the QB position.

So please LoyalPantherFan. Get over yourself. Because all of you have forgotten who we are:

http://pantherstalk.com/index.php?news&nid=5_Carolina-Panthers-destiny-has-a-patriotic-connection-with-a-dynasty.

You couldn't write something like that for our team. If you cared, you would be. But you don't. I take the time. And I put in the effort to know what's going on. You repeat what everybody else says. Most of you are wrong. And you will figure it out 6 months from now.

You are sellouts. Just like last year. You continue to sell out your team in favor of 1 guy. And honestly you should be fuging ashamed of yourselves.

[d-run]

Does Jim Harbaugh doing well make the heat hotter on Rivera?

Only in the fan's mind. Rivera will get at least 3 years, so his seat isn't hot right now at all. Hurney knows that he dismantled this team after the 2009 season and it doesn't have the talent or depth to be competitive every week. Rivera is his guy and he will spend the next couple of off-seasons to get him the talent he wants for his schemes.

[Carl Spackler]

I disagree. I don't think the Panthers are yours and your name needs to be changed.

You are a Cam Newton fan. Just like most of the sellouts. I am a true Carolina Panthers fan. And I know when my team is being taken for a ride.

I know when my defense does good. I know when my receivers do good. I know who is letting down who. I know when my vets are busting their ass for a rookie and I can see when a rookie QB plays bad.

I understand what it means for my team to be playing under a rookie QB who averages less than 50% completion percentage in 4th quarter comebacks. I understand what it means for my team to bear a quarterback whose rating is 68.0 in 4th quarter comebacks but is ranked near the bottom of the league in interceptions so we play close 4th quarter games all year that we have no chance to lose.

I care about the other 52 members on this Carolina Panthers team. You don't.

I want the team to win. You don't. I know what's going to take for my team to win, and it will be better play at the QB position.

So please LoyalPantherFan. Get over yourself. Because all of you have forgotten who we are:

http://pantherstalk.com/index.php?news&nid=5_Carolina-Panthers-destiny-has-a-patriotic-connection-with-a-dynasty.

You couldn't write something like that for our team. If you cared, you would be. But you don't. I take the time. And I put in the effort to know what's going on. You repeat what everybody else says. Most of you are wrong. And you will figure it out 6 months from now.

You are sellouts. Just like last year. You continue to sell out your team in favor of 1 guy. And honestly you should be fuging ashamed of yourselves.

You do realize I joined in 2009 and Newton was drafted in 2011, right? OK, just checking.

Do you know why I don't write things like that? Because I have no interest in writing 11 paragraphs or so of self-serving statistics to prove a point no one agrees with. But please, continue enamoring me with your bricks of text showing how the game's best rookie QB is costing us games with missed tackles, poor play calls and poor blocking. Go ahead. Your blather entertains me. :)

[chef17]

You do realize I joined in 2009 and Newton was drafted in 2011, right? OK, just checking.

Do you know why I don't write things like that? Because I have no interest in writing 11 paragraphs or so of self-serving statistics to prove a point no one agrees with. But please, continue enamoring me with your bricks of text showing how the game's best rookie QB is costing us games with missed tackles, poor play calls and poor blocking. Go ahead. Your blather entertains me. :)

If we had Rodgers none of that would matter. We wouldn't even need a defense or special teams. We would just score every drive.

[Carl Spackler]

People think they can write something on a website from a biased fan's perspective (I'm keeping the race card in the deck, but it could be played in his case) and pass it off as detailed analysis. That's not sportswriting. It's a fan's passionate and thinly veiled bias serving as journalism. Nothing wrong with that, just nothing to refer to.

But what would I know? I've never covered a sports team, let alone the Panthers or Auburn :p

[realtriumph]

And you know what else? Denver Broncos fans KNEW something about a story like that. They UNDERSTOOD. They were more intelligent. They banded together, and put money together and got billboard signs put up on the side of the road to get Fox to start the right guy.

We are so far away from being a fan base like that it is not even funny. You troll your own fans, who do more work then you, instead of listening. You follow the hype instead of the facts. You hate on fans who care about the veterans, the team and the proven players. It's beyond disgusting.

And you are not good fans.

And you know what the funny thing is? I followed Fox over there in their forums. They got The Golden Calf of Bristol a starting job. But not ONE of their fans will let anyone try to say The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven poo yet or that he's going to be the next Elway.

They understand. I want to be a fan base like that. I don't need to go pull for a different team. I like the Panthers. It's my team. And I hate sellout cheap thrill seeker disloyal fools who let them be swayed by any TV personality.

Think Denver fans cared when everyone on TV said The Golden Calf of Bristol would be a bust? No...they knew better than what the TV is saying. They did their homework. You guys follow the TV. You guys follow the hype. You guys follow the media perception without ever questioning anything. You are so blinded by the hype you cannot see what's in front of your own eyes on the TV. You listen to TV personalities and commentators more than guys who spend most of their time researching the Carolina Panthers.

Cam Newton is NOT carrying this damn team. It's the other way around. And it has been this way for a looooong time now.

I'm sorry but you might as well be zombies.

[Proudiddy]

And you know what else? Denver Broncos fans KNEW something about a story like that. They UNDERSTOOD. They were more intelligent. They banded together, and put money together and got billboard signs put up on the side of the road to get Fox to start the right guy.

We are so far away from being a fan base like that it is not even funny. You troll your own fans, who do more work then you, instead of listening. You follow the hype instead of the facts. You hate on fans who care about the veterans, the team and the proven players. It's beyond disgusting.

And you are not good fans.

And you know what the funny thing is? I followed Fox over there in their forums. They got The Golden Calf of Bristol a starting job. But not ONE of their fans will let anyone try to say The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven poo yet or that he's going to be the next Elway.

They understand. I want to be a fan base like that. I don't need to go pull for a different team. I like the Panthers. It's my team. And I hate sellout cheap thrill seeker disloyal fools who let them be swayed by any TV personality.

Think Denver fans cared when everyone on TV said The Golden Calf of Bristol would be a bust? No...they knew better than what the TV is saying. They did their homework. You guys follow the TV. You guys follow the hype. You guys follow the media perception without ever questioning anything. You are so blinded by the hype you cannot see what's in front of your own eyes on the TV. You listen to TV personalities and commentators more than guys who spend most of their time researching the Carolina Panthers.

Cam Newton is NOT carrying this damn team. It's the other way around. And it has been this way for a looooong time now.

I'm sorry but you might as well be zombies.

You are a joke. Please stop posting.

[AceMan]

And you know what else? Denver Broncos fans KNEW something about a story like that. They UNDERSTOOD. They were more intelligent. They banded together, and put money together and got billboard signs put up on the side of the road to get Fox to start the right guy.

We are so far away from being a fan base like that it is not even funny. You troll your own fans, who do more work then you, instead of listening. You follow the hype instead of the facts. You hate on fans who care about the veterans, the team and the proven players. It's beyond disgusting.

And you are not good fans.

And you know what the funny thing is? I followed Fox over there in their forums. They got The Golden Calf of Bristol a starting job. But not ONE of their fans will let anyone try to say The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven poo yet or that he's going to be the next Elway.

They understand. I want to be a fan base like that. I don't need to go pull for a different team. I like the Panthers. It's my team. And I hate sellout cheap thrill seeker disloyal fools who let them be swayed by any TV personality.

Think Denver fans cared when everyone on TV said The Golden Calf of Bristol would be a bust? No...they knew better than what the TV is saying. They did their homework. You guys follow the TV. You guys follow the hype. You guys follow the media perception without ever questioning anything. You are so blinded by the hype you cannot see what's in front of your own eyes on the TV. You listen to TV personalities and commentators more than guys who spend most of their time researching the Carolina Panthers.

Cam Newton is NOT carrying this damn team. It's the other way around. And it has been this way for a looooong time now.

I'm sorry but you might as well be zombies.

Soooooooo why are we relying on a rookie to carry our team anyway? Wouldn't that be on our coaching staff? ;)

Troll

[Carl Spackler]

And you know what else? Denver Broncos fans KNEW something about a story like that. They UNDERSTOOD. They were more intelligent. They banded together, and put money together and got billboard signs put up on the side of the road to get Fox to start the right guy.

We are so far away from being a fan base like that it is not even funny. You troll your own fans, who do more work then you, instead of listening. You follow the hype instead of the facts. You hate on fans who care about the veterans, the team and the proven players. It's beyond disgusting.

And you are not good fans.

And you know what the funny thing is? I followed Fox over there in their forums. They got The Golden Calf of Bristol a starting job. But not ONE of their fans will let anyone try to say The Golden Calf of Bristol has proven poo yet or that he's going to be the next Elway.

They understand. I want to be a fan base like that. I don't need to go pull for a different team. I like the Panthers. It's my team. And I hate sellout cheap thrill seeker disloyal fools who let them be swayed by any TV personality.

Think Denver fans cared when everyone on TV said The Golden Calf of Bristol would be a bust? No...they knew better than what the TV is saying. They did their homework. You guys follow the TV. You guys follow the hype. You guys follow the media perception without ever questioning anything. You are so blinded by the hype you cannot see what's in front of your own eyes on the TV. You listen to TV personalities and commentators more than guys who spend most of their time researching the Carolina Panthers.

Cam Newton is NOT carrying this damn team. It's the other way around. And it has been this way for a looooong time now.

I'm sorry but you might as well be zombies.

If the team is carrying Cam, then wouldn't the 2-7 record fall on the team? #logicfail

Look man, if you're the one on that Panthertalk site vomiting self-fellating text and Cam Newton hatred, I just would like to say that if you started watching football because of Tom Brady in 2001, you have 0 qualification to tell Panther fans what they should do. And if you're not that person, you're just seriously sad. It's OK to like Cam. I know there's something about him that's different from all the other big time QBs we've had, but that's OK. It's OK to support him anyway. I mean it.

:cam:

[Happy Panther]

It's actually fine and this isn't some knee jerk reaction in light of just today's game. In my opinion, he's not doing well. That's all. I'm not trying to get in a football knowledge debate because I know I'm not some all knowing snarky asshole.

"I forgot how well versed you all are in coaching methods and knowing who is right for what"...really Boo? I'm a fan so yeah, of course my opinion is poo as clearly expressed in your post.

I'm saying he needs to improve within a given time frame or yeah, can his ass. He hasn't done a good job this season and that's reality. We're 2-7 with the 5th ranked offense in the NFL. Its like 2000 again. I think its reasonable given our history with coaches and JRs style to give him at the least all of next season.

I don't completely agree with SMF or Hep, but they make valid points and its evident on the field

edit: And I'm not an idiot (well, that can be disputed), but I understand its a team effort. Olsen, Chud, Cam, Rivera, Gross, almost everyone under-performed and were ill-prepared

Always on point Beach

[Happy Panther]

For the first time this season, I actually wish we had hired Harbaugh.

Remember JR said he never even considered him. Never thought about it.

[realtriumph]

People think they can write something on a website from a biased fan's perspective (I'm keeping the race card in the deck, but it could be played in his case) and pass it off as detailed analysis. That's not sportswriting. It's a fan's passionate and thinly veiled bias serving as journalism. Nothing wrong with that, just nothing to refer to.

But what would I know? I've never covered a sports team, let alone the Panthers or Auburn :p

Biased perspective and race card my ass. It's Carolina Panthers history. And let me see what you wrote about the Panthers not CAM NEWTON and AUBURN. I don't give a fug about Auburn and Cam Newton. I'm a Panthers fan. And sports is all about passion. That's what drives a freaking team. A story. A purpose. Something.

The Cardiac Cats were not the greatest thing that happened to this Panthers? They did not get us to a Superbowl? They did not put together one of the greatest seasons in history? They didn't do it because of Sam Mills who had fuging cancer?

You think they had a top 10 defense because they were that damn good? Or because they were motivated and inspired and played for a greater cause? What other defense accomplished what those guys did and what other team played like that? 4 OT wins on the road?

The man had cancer and the doctors gave him 6 months to live and still coached our team! It shows something man. It sets an example. It's inspiring. That's why we did what we did. That's why our defense played lights out. Not for fuging Delhomme. Not to help some fuging rookie QB prove his critics wrong. All teams who do something great band together. There is nothing biased about that story.

We were a team. And so were the fans. Now people give a poo about race, and #1 draft pick quarterbacks when 90% of the fuging NFL is black?

How ignorant can you be?

He's not even the first black QB on the Carolina Panthers dude. And no QB college pre-madona, black or white ever does good in the NFL. The NFL is a freaking fight. Look at the story of Jerome Bettis for the Pittsburg Steelers. It takes the man 25 minutes to get out of bed.

That's not a story. That's reality man. That's his life. He had passion. He drove that team to that Superbowl with Ben. This sport is more than just pure entertainment. And hot shot 22 year old multi, multi, millionaire kids usually don't fuging do good and crash and burn. Go figure!

And believe it or not veterans who bust their ass for 10 years just to earn a quarter of the fuging money these kids get without doing poo DON'T RESPECT THEM and DON'T PLAY FOR THEM!

That's reality. That's what's happening. You have to earn your respect to lead. Clausen couldn't do it. Cam is starting to slip with his speeches.

No respect. No wins. That's not bias. That's just life. It's like a fuging job. Do you respect the new guy that comes in and makes 20 times the money you make, he's not doing 20 times the job you are doing, but you now you are doing a better job and he gets all the credit? You think that is about race? Do the Rams respect Bradford?

You are dreaming brother.

[Carl Spackler]

Biased perspective and race card my ass. It's Carolina Panthers history. And let me see what you wrote about the Panthers not CAM NEWTON and AUBURN. I don't give a fug about Auburn and Cam Newton. I'm a Panthers fan. And sports is all about passion. That's what drives a freaking team. A story. A purpose. Something.

The Cardiac Cats were not the greatest thing that happened to this Panthers? They did not get us to a Superbowl? They did not put together one of the greatest seasons in history? They didn't do it because of Sam Mills who had fuging cancer?

You think they had a top 10 defense because they were that damn good? Or because they were motivated and inspired and played for a greater cause? What other defense accomplished what those guys did and what other team played like that? 4 OT wins on the road?

The man had cancer and the doctors gave him 6 months to live and still coached our team! It shows something man. It sets an example. It's inspiring. That's why we did what we did. That's why our defense played lights out. Not for fuging Delhomme. Not to help some fuging rookie QB prove his critics wrong. All teams who do something great band together. There is nothing biased about that story.

We were a team. And so were the fans. Now people give a poo about race, and #1 draft pick quarterbacks when 90% of the fuging NFL is black?

How ignorant can you be?

He's not even the first black QB on the Carolina Panthers dude. And no QB college pre-madona, black or white ever does good in the NFL. The NFL is a freaking fight. Look at the story of Jerome Bettis for the Pittsburg Steelers. It takes the man 25 minutes to get out of bed.

That's not a story. That's reality man. That's his life. He had passion. He drove that team to that Superbowl with Ben. This sport is more than just pure entertainment. And hot shot 22 year old multi, multi, millionaire kids usually don't fuging do good and crash and burn. Go figure!

And believe it or not veterans who bust their ass for 10 years just to earn a quarter of the fuging money these kids get without doing poo DON'T RESPECT THEM and DON'T PLAY FOR THEM!

That's reality. That's what's happening. You have to earn your respect to lead. Clausen couldn't do it. Cam is starting to slip with his speeches.

No respect. No wins. That's not bias. That's just life. It's like a fuging job. Do you respect the new guy that comes in and makes 20 times the money you make, he's not doing 20 times the job you are doing, but you now you are doing a better job and he gets all the credit? You think that is about race? Do the Rams respect Bradford?

You are dreaming brother.

Just funny how you blame everything on one player. And how things unrelated to him are his fault. Why don't you hold everyone else to Cam's standard? It's really pathetic. It's OK for the line to miss blocks, WRs to drop passes, and defensive players to miss tackles. But if Cam makes a mistake--oh God--he sucks. I'd say you need a brain transplant. But in order to have a transplant, you need a brain to begin with, and I'm not convinced you have the requisite equipment. Go back to watching a Patriots game. What's that? Cam's not the first black QB on the Panthers? Oh Lord! Enthrall me with more facts! What are our team colors? What's our mascot's name? You're such a football expert.

[realtriumph]

If the team is carrying Cam, then wouldn't the 2-7 record fall on the team? #logicfail

Look man, if you're the one on that Panthertalk site vomiting self-fellating text and Cam Newton hatred, I just would like to say that if you started watching football because of Tom Brady in 2001, you have 0 qualification to tell Panther fans what they should do. And if you're not that person, you're just seriously sad. It's OK to like Cam. I know there's something about him that's different from all the other big time QBs we've had, but that's OK. It's OK to support him anyway. I mean it.

:cam:

You think it's hatred. Nobody's hating on someone when he just calls it like it is.

Yeah you know there's something. I know there is something too.

I'm not hating Cam Newton. I'm just crediting the rest of my team for the way they help him out. I can see Smith jumping out 6 feet in the air to catch bad passes. I can see Shockey trying to extend his arms but the passes are so bad, there's no way he will reach it. I can see Lafell doing the same type of things on a really badly high and overthrown pass in the endzone. I can see idiot fans blame Naanee when I can fuging tell he has nothing to do with the passes.

I just don't freaking agree it's Cam's amazing passing accuracy. I KNOW who it is. And I can see who is trying to help who.

And you have to be retarded to not understand this dude has a 60% completion ratio, 20th in the NFL, and cannot possibly be more accurate in long balls than short ones that he misses all day long. I have enough sense to understand a QB cannot be more accurate on the run than standing still. And a 60.0% passer is not going to make a guy like Steve Smith look good. It's always going to be the other way around! I have enough sense to know when a quarterback has league worst sacks, it means he''s not escaping the pocket more than other quarterbacks.

It's a story. It's not real. And I don't hate Cam Newton. I hate dumbass fans who repeat these lies.

And every Panther fan started at some point dude. Most of them watched somebody else. This team didn't come around until 1995. But how long you have been around means poo when you sit there and talk out of your ass and someone else actually does their homework.

You think it's hate. When it's only being realistic and NOT biased. You are biased. I am not.