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When does the blame start landing on Rivera


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I do actually. Find a capable vet. Make Cam Newton re-earn his starting position or let him sit there. But that's not going to happen.

-6 of 7 in 4th quarter comebacks

-last in sacks

-first in penalties

-68.0 QB rating in 4th quarter comebacks

-1 out of 14 possessions in 4th quarter comebacks(7%)

-only beat the 2 teams ranked worst than us on offense.

People think the offense showed up? Why, because they put up 28 points? That means nothing. It depends what defense you are playing.

After Arizona when facing the following defenses we were expected to score the following

GB's we were expected to put up ~37.

Against Chicago's ~36

Against Atlanta- ~31

Against Vikings- ~28

Against Titans- ~20

This is based on the efficiency of our offense and yards the week before they played them. We failed on every one of those games. Our offense played good enough to lose in every game and continue to get worse. Notice how our expectations dropped every week and we still could not meet them.

You guys need to understand even Indianapolis, the most inefficient offense in the league can put up 24 points on the right defense. They put up 20 on Pittsburg because Pittsburg helps teams out by turning over the ball. They put up 24 on Kansas City.

We are now 3 spots above Indy. We have yet to meet our expectations once this year except when other offenses also didn't meet theirs: Jaguars and Washington.

The only thing we can do is wait. Wait for Cam to get better. That's it. It's not the defense. It's not the rest of the team. It's not the special teams. It's him. If he gets better we win. If he stays the same and doesn't learn and can't handle it we need someone else. That's the answer. This is a leadership issue and a learning curve issue.

No team is ever expected to put up 37

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Don't get me wrong, I see Rivera's mistakes and struggles just as clearly as the rest of us on this forum, but at times today I felt like there was only so much the man could do.

-The punt return broke our backs early, Rivera wasn't streaking down the field trying to make a tackle. In fact, it seemed none of our special team's players were trying to make the tackle.

-The Olsen fumble, put a halt on all offensive production for the rest of the day. That can't be on Ron.

-The 40 something yard TD reception by D. Williams just put the final nail in the coffin early. The tackling was horrific and Sherrod Martin took a terrible angle on the play.

Maybe I'm just crazy or blind, but I just don't see how these three daggers can be put solely on Ron. Sure the team was flat and showed no desire, but maybe that was a product of the return touchdown and turnover in the redzone more so than our head coach failing to prepare the team during the bye week.

so the panthers were doomed in the first quarter?
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I do actually. Find a capable vet. Make Cam Newton re-earn his starting position or let him sit there. But that's not going to happen.

-6 of 7 in 4th quarter comebacks

-last in sacks

-first in penalties

-68.0 QB rating in 4th quarter comebacks

-1 out of 14 possessions in 4th quarter comebacks(7%)

-only beat the 2 teams ranked worst than us on offense.

People think the offense showed up? Why, because they put up 28 points? That means nothing. It depends what defense you are playing.

After Arizona when facing the following defenses we were expected to score the following

GB's we were expected to put up ~37.

Against Chicago's ~36

Against Atlanta- ~31

Against Vikings- ~28

Against Titans- ~20

This is based on the efficiency of our offense and yards the week before they played them. We failed on every one of those games. Our offense played good enough to lose in every game and continue to get worse. Notice how our expectations dropped every week and we still could not meet them.

You guys need to understand even Indianapolis, the most inefficient offense in the league can put up 24 points on the right defense. They put up 20 on Pittsburg because Pittsburg helps teams out by turning over the ball. They put up 24 on Kansas City.

We are now 3 spots above Indy. We have yet to meet our expectations once this year except when other offenses also didn't meet theirs: Jaguars and Washington.

The only thing we can do is wait. Wait for Cam to get better. That's it. It's not the defense. It's not the rest of the team. It's not the special teams. It's him. If he gets better we win. If he stays the same and doesn't learn and can't handle it we need someone else. That's the answer. This is a leadership issue and a learning curve issue.

Seriously TRD, get your grandpa off the desktop.

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I do actually. Find a capable vet. Make Cam Newton re-earn his starting position or let him sit there. But that's not going to happen.

-6 of 7 in 4th quarter comebacks

-last in sacks

-first in penalties

-68.0 QB rating in 4th quarter comebacks

-1 out of 14 possessions in 4th quarter comebacks(7%)

-only beat the 2 teams ranked worst than us on offense.

People think the offense showed up? Why, because they put up 28 points? That means nothing. It depends what defense you are playing.

After Arizona when facing the following defenses we were expected to score the following

GB's we were expected to put up ~37.

Against Chicago's ~36

Against Atlanta- ~31

Against Vikings- ~28

Against Titans- ~20

This is based on the efficiency of our offense and yards the week before they played them. We failed on every one of those games. Our offense played good enough to lose in every game and continue to get worse. Notice how our expectations dropped every week and we still could not meet them.

You guys need to understand even Indianapolis, the most inefficient offense in the league can put up 24 points on the right defense. They put up 20 on Pittsburg because Pittsburg helps teams out by turning over the ball. They put up 24 on Kansas City.

We are now 3 spots above Indy. We have yet to meet our expectations once this year except when other offenses also didn't meet theirs: Jaguars and Washington.

The only thing we can do is wait. Wait for Cam to get better. That's it. It's not the defense. It's not the rest of the team. It's not the special teams. It's him. If he gets better we win. If he stays the same and doesn't learn and can't handle it we need someone else. That's the answer. This is a leadership issue and a learning curve issue.

LOL, yes... bench Cam, brilliant.

Cam is the only thing keeping us in these games. He had an off day today and it showed what we are without him.

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No team is ever expected to put up 37

Uhm yes they are. If you understood football and expectations. You don't and most people don't so I am not surprized.

GB the, #1 offense for example averages 34 points per game on an average defense. They average 416 yards per game. They get 1 point for every 12 yards of offense.

416/12 = 34 points. That's why their points per game is 34. That's just their average points scored against average defenses.

When they face the most inefficient offenses and defenses in the league such as Indianapolis, ranked 30th, they are expected to put up a lot more!

Example:

Indianapolis gives up 1 point for every 13 yards of offense to an average offense. So when they face one that gets 1 for 12 you have to factor the difference:

- Average is 1 point for 15. Indy gives up 1 every 12.

-3 yards difference in favor of GB.

-GB is going to get:

-12 - 3 = 9.

1 point every 9 yards.

If they put up just their average yards that day they are expected to get: 416/ 9 = 46 points.

But against the worst defense they are expected to get more than their average yards.

Average defense gives up: 350 yards.

Indy gives up: 390

GB advantage: 40

Total yards expected for GB = 456 yards at an efficiency of 9 ypp.

So total points GB is expected to get against Indy:

456/ 9 = 50

Green Bay is expected to get 50 points against Indianapolis.

Most teams rarely do this, but the Saints decided to show off. The Saints put up 62 on Indianapolis.

They put up an average of 436 yards at 14.0 ppg = 31 points per game. Against Indy they get 40 yards advantage and 3 ppg advantage.

476/ 11 ppg = 43 points.

New Orleans would be expected to put up 43 points if they face Indianapolis again. When they faced them though, New Orleans had a much better ypp efficiency so they put up 62 points. When they were facing the Rams they were supposed to put up a similar amount. New Orleans did NOT meet their expectations against the Rams. The Rams defense far exceeded their expectations against New Orleans.

This is how you know if you have a good offense or not and what they are expected to do. Not yards. Not points. But yards, ypp, and the rankings of your opposing defense's ypp and yards allowed.

This is how Power Rankings work(that's why winning records sometimes don't matter in rankings). This is how experts predict winners. This is how ESPN's accuracy does it although on a more advanced level. This is how you set expectations. This is how a coach knows what to expect. This is how Rivera knows how to expect no more than 4 wins this year.

He knew, based on this, the only teams we can beat are Tampa(25th in ypp) and Indy(30th). Indi is a sure win. Tampa is 50/50. So he expects we split that game.

Problem was that was before our ypp dropped to 29th. Before today were were ranked 21st. As of now we can't even split one with Tampa. So we win 1 more game: Indy. As of right now that's what we can expect to do this year.

29th vs 30th. Most people will expect us to blow Indy out. NOT! 29th vs 30th means a very close game. I expect a very close game with Indianapolis.

What that tells me about Rivera is that he doesn't expect my team to improve at all! fug THAT!

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Uhm yes they are. If you understood football and expectations. You don't and most people don't so I am not surprized.

GB the, #1 offense for example averages 34 points per game on an average defense. They average 416 yards per game. They get 1 point for every 12 yards of offense.

416/12 = 34 points. That's why their points per game is 34. That's just their average points scored against average defenses.

When they face the most inefficient offenses and defenses in the league such as Indianapolis, ranked 30th, they are expected to put up a lot more!

Example:

Indianapolis gives up 1 point for every 13 yards of offense to an average offense. So when they face one that gets 1 for 12 you have to factor the difference:

- Average is 1 point for 15. Indy gives up 1 every 12.

-3 yards difference in favor of GB.

-GB is going to get:

-12 - 3 = 9.

1 point every 9 yards.

If they put up just their average yards that day they are expected to get: 416/ 9 = 46 points.

But against the worst defense they are expected to get more than their average yards.

Average defense gives up: 350 yards.

Indy gives up: 390

GB advantage: 40

Total yards expected for GB = 456 yards at an efficiency of 9 ypp.

So total points GB is expected to get against Indy:

456/ 9 = 50

Green Bay is expected to get 50 points against Indianapolis.

Most teams rarely do this, but the Saints decided to show off. The Saints put up 62 on Indianapolis.

They put up an average of 436 yards at 14.0 ppg = 31 points per game. Against Indy they get 40 yards advantage and 3 ppg advantage.

476/ 11 ppg = 43 points.

New Orleans would be expected to put up 43 points if they face Indianapolis again. When they faced them though, New Orleans had a much better ppg efficiency so they put up 62 points. When they were facing the Rams they were supposed to put up a similar amount. New Orleans did NOT meet their expectations against the Rams. The Rams far exceeded their expectations against New Orleans.

This is how you know if you have a good offense or not and what they are expected to do. Not yards. Not points. But yards, ypp, and the rankings of your opposing defense's ypp and yards allowed.

This is how Power Rankings work(that's why winning records sometimes don't matter in rankings). This is how experts predict winners. This is how ESPN's accuracy does it although on a more advanced level. This is how you set expectations. This is how a coach knows what to expect. This is how Rivera knows how to expect no more than 4 wins this year.

He knew, based on this, the only teams we can beat are Tampa(25th in ypp) and Indy(30th). Indi is a sure win. Tampa is 50/50. So he expects we split that game.

Problem was that was before our ypp dropped to 29th. Before today were were ranked 21st. As of now we can't even split one with Tampa. So we win 1 more game: Indy. As of right now that's what we can expect to do this year.

29th vs 30th. Most people will expect us to blow Indy out. NOT! 29th vs 30th means a very close game. I expect a very close game with Indianapolis.

What that tells me about Rivera is that he doesn't expect my team to improve at all! fug THAT!

The Panthers are not your team. Get back to whipping up that Draino milkshake and impart more wisdom later.

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My problem is it seems there is no accountability between the players and staff right now. If there is, it doesn't mean much because our players keep doing the same stupid sh*t.

Rivera IS still learning, but that shouldn't be an excuse for crap like penalties, missed tackles, and all the other stupid stuff we're still doing that costs us games.

My issues are with these same repeated mistakes that can be eliminated. And then today, with an extra week to prepare, we came out and laid an egg. We made no adjustments we just waited and hoped the Titans would quit what they were doing, it was horrible.

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My problem is it seems there is no accountability between the players and staff right now. If there is, it doesn't mean much because our players keep doing the same stupid sh*t.

Rivera IS still learning, but that shouldn't be an excuse for crap like penalties, missed tackles, and all the other stupid stuff we're still doing that costs us games.

My problem are these same repeated mistakes that can be eliminated. And then today, with an extra week to prepare, we came out and laid an egg. We made no adjustments we just waited and hoped the Titans would quit what they were doing, it was horrible.

That starts with the coach, whether people want to call me fair-weather or not. It does. You have 2 weeks to prepare for a 4-4 team and your players have no energy. Did Rivera have the trainers put Ny-Quil in the coolers?

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Uhm yes they are. If you understood football and expectations. You don't and most people don't so I am not surprized.

GB the, #1 offense for example averages 34 points per game on an average defense. They average 416 yards per game. They get 1 point for every 12 yards of offense.

416/12 = 34 points. That's why their points per game is 34. That's just their average points scored against average defenses.

When they face the most inefficient offenses and defenses in the league such as Indianapolis, ranked 30th, they are expected to put up a lot more!

Example:

Indianapolis gives up 1 point for every 13 yards of offense to an average offense. So when they face one that gets 1 for 12 you have to factor the difference:

- Average is 1 point for 15. Indy gives up 1 every 12.

-3 yards difference in favor of GB.

-GB is going to get:

-12 - 3 = 9.

1 point every 9 yards.

If they put up just their average yards that day they are expected to get: 416/ 9 = 46 points.

But against the worst defense they are expected to get more than their average yards.

Average defense gives up: 350 yards.

Indy gives up: 390

GB advantage: 40

Total yards expected for GB = 456 yards at an efficiency of 9 ypp.

So total points GB is expected to get against Indy:

456/ 9 = 50

Green Bay is expected to get 50 points against Indianapolis.

Most teams rarely do this, but the Saints decided to show off. The Saints put up 62 on Indianapolis.

They put up an average of 436 yards at 14.0 ppg = 31 points per game. Against Indy they get 40 yards advantage and 3 ppg advantage.

476/ 11 ppg = 43 points.

New Orleans would be expected to put up 43 points if they face Indianapolis again. When they faced them though, New Orleans had a much better ypp efficiency so they put up 62 points. When they were facing the Rams they were supposed to put up a similar amount. New Orleans did NOT meet their expectations against the Rams. The Rams defense far exceeded their expectations against New Orleans.

This is how you know if you have a good offense or not and what they are expected to do. Not yards. Not points. But yards, ypp, and the rankings of your opposing defense's ypp and yards allowed.

This is how Power Rankings work(that's why winning records sometimes don't matter in rankings). This is how experts predict winners. This is how ESPN's accuracy does it although on a more advanced level. This is how you set expectations. This is how a coach knows what to expect. This is how Rivera knows how to expect no more than 4 wins this year.

He knew, based on this, the only teams we can beat are Tampa(25th in ypp) and Indy(30th). Indi is a sure win. Tampa is 50/50. So he expects we split that game.

Problem was that was before our ypp dropped to 29th. Before today were were ranked 21st. As of now we can't even split one with Tampa. So we win 1 more game: Indy. As of right now that's what we can expect to do this year.

29th vs 30th. Most people will expect us to blow Indy out. NOT! 29th vs 30th means a very close game. I expect a very close game with Indianapolis.

What that tells me about Rivera is that he doesn't expect my team to improve at all! fug THAT!

Ask anyone in the world besides you if Greenbay played the Colts ten times how many times they would expect them to score 50 points. Guaranteed 99% will disagree with you.

Our defense can give up 30 points in a game and you say they aren't the reason we lost. And I'm the one who doesn't understand football? GTFO

YPP doesn't not equal offense efficiently. You are the only dumbass to believe that.

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