Breaking News: Denver plans to deal QB Cutler

[carolinarolls]

not taking the high road at all...just being honest (as i'm sure you are). Whether you buy it or not isn't my problem.

I can see the valid points that you make regarding both situations (jake and pep) but you are unwavering to a fault in your position. you treat any possibility that you might be wrong as stupidity and anyone who suggests that you might be wrong as foolish.

you may have eaten your crow in the past and i have to say that regarding the peppers situation i hope you do again. whether you will or not remains to be seen because we still don't know how it is going to turn out.

just because you have been attacked in the past doesn't mean that any disagreement with you is an attack and warrants an attack back.

i can understand your frustration with the peppers situation having been a fan of his since the beginning and your anger at the organization for not handling it the way you think it should have been. understand, though, that what others of us have been saying is the panthers just might know what they are doing. you don't have to agree with that but it is he case none-the-less.

i look for places where common ground can be found but i don't think that it is in going to one extreme or the other. if i have attacked you, i'm sorry. I'm not upset that people hold other positions than mine. i do, however, get frustrated when people's stances on things get to the point where it is only their way or wrong and are unwilling to see any possible alternative opinion as having merit. i get more frustrated when those peoples only recourse is to ridicule and attack the other person or people who think differently and call them juvenile names.

if that isn't you, then i'm willing to believe it.

The problem I have with the two issues mentioned is that I WANT to be wrong and I WANT to agree but I just cannot make it make sense to me. They are either doing something against the rules or they are completely out of control with the Peppers situation and with Jake they are repeatedly putting the entire franchise's efforts into the hands of a man that is not only incapable (IMO) of being acceptably consistent but has an ego that tells him he CAN get there if he keeps taking larger and larger risks.

I want to be wrong about some of these discussions. And I am not the only person that is making someone feel stupid for not agreeing with a POV.

[carolinarolls]

I can agree with that.

On this I have to differ with you. Just because the team is a run oriented based offense, doesn't mean he can't fit its passing game. In Denver's old offense they were run first as well, but injuries caused they to pass more (they lost a ton of running backs during the last season). Infact, I think it would give the offense an strong arm and somewhat accurate deep ball passer. That coupled with Steve Smith would definitely cause problems for a defense defending this offense. Another thing to think about is the run-based offense may help his development. He wouldn't have to throw as much and would not have to force passes as much, which generally helps accuracy.

With all that said. I doubt that he'll end up here. Denver is gonna want a QB that can start for several years there, and I don't think Jake is a long term solution any more. If possible, a three-way deal involving the Browns could get Jay Cutler here and Juilus Peppers to the Browns along with Carolina's 1st round pick next year and one of their QBs and Cleveland's 1st round pick this year to Denver, but that's very unlikely.

no kidding. they had Elway for a long time and he was very successful but they really got into the mix on a regular basis during a string of fantastic running backs who carried 30 times a game

[psyburn21]

no kidding. they had Elway for a long time and he was very successful but they really got into the mix on a regular basis during a string of fantastic running backs who carried 30 times a game

Exactly what I was thinking of. I don't think he's coming here, but to say that he won't fit the offense is missing the mark IMO.

[carolinarolls]

Exactly what I was thinking of. I don't think he's coming here, but to say that he won't fit the offense is missing the mark IMO.

yeah and that is what frustrates me about this board sometimes. Cutler is a better version of Jake. He takes risks. Only his arm is stronger, his decisions faster and his passes more accurate. To think that he would not fit is to say that Jake could never fit to me.

[Fiz]

Sources are indicating to us that a deal is in the works that would involve the Vikings sending Tarvaris Jackson and a second round pick to the Broncos in exchange for Jay Cutler.

New Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels is said to be excited by Jackson's physical tools and thinks he can turn the under-fire Vikings quarterback into a quality pro passer.

Link

[doubletrouble3428]

Link

you got me thats for sure....i was like omg this mcdaniels is more of an idiot than i thot

here is a link on the whole cutler thing.....nothing we dont already know but on the video, it says that the denver locker room loves the guy an looks up to him

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863

a lot of you guys on here have said he would mess with the team chemistry an him an smitty wouldnt get along...or watever....but sources make it sound to me that he IS a good teammate

[psyburn21]

I think Cutler demanding a trade and having hard feelings about how McDaniels treated him rubs some people here the wrong way. Fact is that his teammates in Denver do respect him and think highly of him.

[Jangler]

[panthers55]

I figure that Crolls must have a deal with Zod. Whenever things get dull in the offseason he agrees to make assinine comments all day and get everyone riled up. That way he can cause lots of controversy and even con a few newbies to take up the call.

You got to hand it to him, this thread is 250 posts and not slowing down. Way to go fishing Crolls. At first I was thinking you were serious but no one can be that stupid consistently and make such convoluted threads and play both sides against the middle.

Hats off to you! You really have had people going. And don't even try and say you have been serious all along. We are on to you. No one actually would take the positions you do. Be serious!!

[Ccat]

I figure that Crolls must have a deal with Zod. Whenever things get dull in the offseason he agrees to make assinine comments all day and get everyone riled up. That way he can cause lots of controversy and even con a few newbies to take up the call.

You got to hand it to him, this thread is 250 posts and not slowing down. Way to go fishing Crolls. At first I was thinking you were serious but no one can be that stupid consistently and make such convoluted threads and play both sides against the middle.

Hats off to you! You really have had people going. And don't even try and say you have been serious all along. We are on to you. No one actually would take the positions you do. Be serious!!

I agree. Hopefully he isn't really serious...

[Skew]

I figure that Crolls must have a deal with Zod. Whenever things get dull in the offseason he agrees to make assinine comments all day and get everyone riled up. That way he can cause lots of controversy and even con a few newbies to take up the call.

You got to hand it to him, this thread is 250 posts and not slowing down. Way to go fishing Crolls. At first I was thinking you were serious but no one can be that stupid consistently and make such convoluted threads and play both sides against the middle.

Hats off to you! You really have had people going. And don't even try and say you have been serious all along. We are on to you. No one actually would take the positions you do. Be serious!!

Nice try.

I've met both. And they are not the same.

Try again.

[panthers55]

Nice try.

I've met both. And they are not the same.

Try again.

Didn't say that Crolls was an alter ego. I was saying that he must have a deal with Zod to spice things up when they get too boring. Are there alteregos on this board? Of course, but not in this case.

[carolinarolls]

lmao at 55 with yet another desperate attempt to make things beyond his meager limitations easier to accept mentally.

[panthers55]

lmao at 55 with yet another desperate attempt to make things beyond his meager limitations easier to accept mentally.

So when logic fails, and you can't bait folks about Jake, now we resort to personal attacks.

Yeah I am desperate to debate with you and I am so mentally challenged I can't see through your transparent attempts to create a controversy.

Sorry you will have to get some better bait. Try something else less juvenile.

Congrats on the post count. Do you get paid by the post or what??