Breaking News: Denver plans to deal QB Cutler

[rayzor]

no QB in the league fits your qualifications in my opinion. And I am not saying that Jay is the guy. I do have a problem in people saying he would not be better than Jake.. That is just ridiculous.

in some areas he would be better, in others he wouldn't be. can you agree with that?

a better passer? most likely.

a better leader on the team? probably not.

both are important. i would like a balance. i don't want to move until we find it. cutler wouldn't bring it. the cost of bringing him here, as you have agreed to already, is prohibitive anyway....that makes jake a better choice. you might consider that by default and you might be right.

i just don't like moving just for movement's sake. imo, bringing in cutler would be just that. i don't see us winning more games than last year. seeing what cutler did against us last year and in other games where he flat gave up...that doesn't give me any confidence that he would have handled the cards game any better. all it took was one mistake and a defense that couldn't get the job done and poor play calling for everything to fall apart.

the QB that comes back from that is going to be tough to find and cutler doesn't strike me as being it.

[carolinarolls]

I have posted this many times. IMO, Cutler is a lot like a TO or Chad Johnson or even Steve Smith in that we wants the ball and wants to make the play on ever down. I don't think that is a bad quality. For some teams they need that type of QB. If Cutler was to come to Carolina and then asked to hand the ball to Williams/Stewart 50% of the time he would not be happy here. He has publicly stated how he likes the type of offense Denver ran last year which relied heavily on the passing game. So IMO for Cutler and the Panthers to mesh the team would have to adapt their offense to a more pass friendly offense. After going out and doing all that they did to rebuild the o-line to be better at run blocking and drafting two 1st round RB within two years of each other, I don't see them abandoning this offense just to get Cutler.

If Cutler would actually come out and say he would love to play for the Panthers and would happy playing on a run first team, my view would change. But from the comments that have come from Cutler I don't see that happening.

your point is well received but I think youhave to think about his quotes about Denver's system and the fact that he was employed by Denver a the time. No QB wants to air it out all game every game and every Qb wants a solid rushing attack.

[methodtoll]

Again, I must stress that Cutler would be a cancer to this locker room and would clearly be a distraction to this team.

Furthermore, just because he was good with the Broncos doesn't mean he would be a great fit for Carolina. Carolina would run the same system regardless as to who is at QB.

Our offense is led by two great RBs and the passing game will be off of play action.

[carolinarolls]

in some areas he would be better, in others he wouldn't be. can you agree with that?

a better passer? most likely.

a better leader on the team? probably not.

both are important. i would like a balance. i don't want to move until we find it. cutler wouldn't bring it. the cost of bringing him here, as you have agreed to already, is prohibitive anyway....that makes jake a better choice. you might consider that by default and you might be right.

i just don't like moving just for movement's sake. imo, bringing in cutler would be just that. i don't see us winning more games than last year. seeing what cutler did against us last year and in other games where he flat gave up...that doesn't give me any confidence that he would have handled the cards game any better. all it took was one mistake and a defense that couldn't get the job done and poor play calling for everything to fall apart.

the QB that comes back from that is going to be tough to find and cutler doesn't strike me as being it.

I am not for the trade unless it rids us of the Peppers burden and we can deal Cut out for a pick or two. That said, he is a better passer than Jake and it is hard to address his leadership because we all know what winning does. Winning in 2003 put Jake where he is today. I do not think the kid is damaged goods at all but I do not think the trade will help the Panthers in 2009. He IS a better QB than Jake though, now question.

[17+89=6]

Jake may be a better leader, but what does that matter when he leads you to a 6 turnover, 20 point playoff loss. At that point, I couldn't possibly care any less about his leadership skills. I'm not saying next year wont be better with Jake, but we won IN SPITE of him this year. And that wont get you to the Super Bowl. With Moose, Smitty, and our Backs, I don't really think leadership is all that huge. No one needs to lead Smitty to be the best, and Moose has seen it all. I just disagree strongly with the leadership aspect if the talent level doesn't exist.

[monstercat]

Has anybody even considered whether Cutler would want to come here, or whether Peppers would want to go to Denver?

If Peppers really wants to go somewhere where he can just be a guy, instead of THE guy, this would be a monumental mistake for him. I guarantee you that Denver fans would put 10 times more pressure on Peppers to perform, if he became the guy that replaced their franchise QB.

People can argue all day long, and probably will, about whether Cutler would be a good fit here, but none of that stuff even matters if both players and both teams can't come to an agreement, or get the contracts worked out beforehand.

[carolinarolls]

Again, I must stress that Cutler would be a cancer to this locker room and would clearly be a distraction to this team.

Furthermore, just because he was good with the Broncos doesn't mean he would be a great fit for Carolina. Carolina would run the same system regardless as to who is at QB.

Our offense is led by two great RBs and the passing game will be off of play action.

how the fvck do you know he would be a cancer?

nobody said the system will change and Any strong armed QB would dream to have a pass first offense opening up the play action for him.

..dumb

[Skew]

I don't want everyone to agree or see my point. I could care less. If some here DID agree I would probably doubt myself in fact.

If someone can honestly sit here and say that they do not think jay Cut is an upgrade over jake Delhomme, well, well that person has an issue That I cannot identify.

We are talking about jake delhomme here. a rung above chopped liver blessed with a perfect situation.

Like being able to recognise that Culter is not the leader jake is and a douchebag

[carolinarolls]

Yet another ridiculous argument. Fireball already called you on the running game aspect, but having Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, and Tony Scheffler as his "inferior" weapons versus Steve Smith, Mushin Muhammad, Dwayne Jarrett, and Jeff King is pretty laughable.

I like our staff much better. Would you trade theirs for ours? If not stfu.

[X-Clown]

I like our staff much better. Would you trade theirs for ours? If not stfu.

If we're talking about just based on receiving ability, speed, in terms of age, etc hell yes I'd make the trade....but since we're talking about receivers that fit within our offense and philosophy, I say no. Which oddly enough is the same reason that I would rather hang on to Jake and look elsewhere for QB help than to trade for Cutler.

[mountainpantherfan]

your point is well received but I think youhave to think about his quotes about Denver's system and the fact that he was employed by Denver a the time. No QB wants to air it out all game every game and every Qb wants a solid rushing attack.

Valid. Like I said if Cutler would be willing to play on a run first team then the discussion changes a lot.

[carolinarolls]

hang on to Jake

hang on to Jake

You do realize that I am not a proponent of this trade? But it is ridiculous to think that jake is better than jay even for our team as is.

ridiculous

[frash.exe]

anybody recognize any leadership ability in Jake when he played his first 3 years?

how many 4th quarter comebacks did he have from 1998-2000?

what was his QB rating like?

what was his W/L record like his first 3 years?

[Sam Mills Fan]

Methodtoll, that is again, one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on the Huddle. Jake seems to bring out the worst in you people.

Has Cutler ever assaulted fellow players, not once, but twice? Then he's not as bad as everyone's Panther hero Steve Smith. Do you believe that Smith is a cancer?

In fact, can anyone point to something that Cutler did before this incident where he was rightly upset with his idiotic new head coach that would warrant him being labeled a "cancer"?

Has Cutler ever been a disruptive presence in the locker room in previous seasons? Has he ever done ANYTHING before this conflict between him and his new coach?