Breaking News: Denver plans to deal QB Cutler

[panthers55]

I saw him post "incredible" stats about how Jake was 22nd in one stat, 18th in another. He was near the bottom in touchdown to interception efficiency, even if you only count the regular season. Are those stats supposed to somehow prove that he's not a bad quarterback? LOL

The only thing Jake supporters have to hang their hats on is some misleading yards per attempt stat because Steve Smith is GOD at YAC. What do you think Cutler's yards per attempt would be if he had the same o-line, incredible running backs, and all-world receiver? We have the best supporting cast in the league on offense, yet our Lead Actor is the equivalent of David Hasselhoff.

I pointed out the 22nd rating as well as the 4th rating because unlike you I don't have a specific agenda. I post the numbers and dissect them. If they are bad I say so, If not I say that as well. Not everyone has a mission to denigrate one player or the other as you apparently do.

And then you play the "what if" game. How ignorant is that. Jake would be great if he had Arizona's receivers, our running backs and line, and Pittsburgh's defense. Cmon now!!!

[SmootsDaddy89]

This kind of reminds me of how three years ago I made a thread about how Nick Goings was a better running back than DeShaun Foster and used stats to back it up. But I was absolutely right about that, and this I'm less certain on. Ultimately, I'm still willing to give Jake another chance to prove he can still play before I make my "Matt Moore is a better QB than Jake" thread. But keep your eyes peeled

[panthers55]

IMO, if not for Steve Smith, Jake wouldn't be a starting QB. he is fortunate

Yeah Steve makes Jake just like in 2004 when Steve was out........

Yeah and when Jake was out Steve was awesome in 2007..........

Oh wait........

[rayzor]

Also Lil Scotty, would you be so kind as to share with us mere unreasoned morons when you would support getting rid of Jake? Would it be whenever Darin Gantt writes a column about that? If not, what would it take?

it would have to be someone who is the whole package.

it would take there being a good choice that wouldn't require us giving much up.

it would have to be someone who fits in well with our run first mentality.

it would have to be someone who is a great leader and receives a lot of respect from the team.

it would have to be a good character guy that you can be proud of as the face of the franchise.

it would have to be someone who can get the team fired up.

it would have to be someone who can bring us back from behind, if we should fall for some reason.

it would have to be someone who doesn't give up.

it would have to be someone who doesn't turn into a punk the moment things don't go his way.

it would have to be someone who makes a small amount of mistakes.

it would have to be someone who takes responsibility for his mistakes.

the panthers deserve as much.

[panthers55]

any stat can prove anything and any stat can be inconclusive of any opinion.

in Joke you have a failure and a contingent of faithful that hate to see him go and hate to be proven wrong who will manipulate anything they see into a positive about Jake. It's sick really.

The best defense is apparently a good offense. Projection is a common defense mechanism where you ascribe negative characteristics to others that you are in fact exhibiting.

I bow to the expert!!!

[Fireball77]

I don't have to be a snuggle to not see that.

Just have a different opinion.

But please continue to call everyone a snuggler who has a different opinion from you. That will get them to see your point.

Skew, don't you GET it? If you disagree with them about Jake YOU HAVE to be a JAKE SNUGGLER! It's the law!1111!!1

Well said, Rayzor. Cutler gets disqualified after just a couple of those, is relatively unproven on some, and clearly isn't for most of them.

[carolinarolls]

I don't have to be a snuggle to not see that.

Just have a different opinion.

But please continue to call everyone a snuggler who has a different opinion from you. That will get them to see your point.

I don't want everyone to agree or see my point. I could care less. If some here DID agree I would probably doubt myself in fact.

If someone can honestly sit here and say that they do not think jay Cut is an upgrade over jake Delhomme, well, well that person has an issue That I cannot identify.

We are talking about jake delhomme here. a rung above chopped liver blessed with a perfect situation.

[Scrumtrilescent]

I can't talk, I can only type cuz it seems I have Jake's balls in my mouth cuz I think Cutler is a colossal dipshit.

[SMACKDAB]

IMO, if not for Steve Smith, Jake wouldn't be a starting QB. he is fortunate

I'll go a step further and say that if not for the Panthers, Jake wouldn't be a starting QB.

This coming from someone that doesn't hate Jake at all(at the same time I'm not as enamored as some), but I certainly don't want Cutler here.

[mountainpantherfan]

He is clearly an upgrade and you have to be a snuggler to not see that. You need to wrap THAT around your brain.

for the record I am not a fan of Jay Cutler. But you don't have to be that great to be better than Jake Delhomme.

Talent wise, he is an upgrade. But for the entire team he would not be. By bringing in Cutler you might as well get rid of Williams or Stewart, Otah, King, and Hoover as the run game would not be the focus of the offense. You don't bring in a QB like Cutler if the offense is run first. The chemistry, with no mention of any real or precieved character issues, would just not work with this team.

I would take Moore starting this season for the Panthers over Cutler just because of the type of offense they run. Payton Manning is one of the two best QBs in the league and their is no doubt about it but would he be a good fit in a run first offense? I don't think so. It's not an issue of talent as much as it is about chemistry.

[carolinarolls]

it would have to be someone who is the whole package.

it would take there being a good choice that wouldn't require us giving much up.

it would have to be someone who fits in well with our run first mentality.

it would have to be someone who is a great leader and receives a lot of respect from the team.

it would have to be a good character guy that you can be proud of as the face of the franchise.

it would have to be someone who can get the team fired up.

it would have to be someone who can bring us back from behind, if we should fall for some reason.

it would have to be someone who doesn't give up.

it would have to be someone who doesn't turn into a punk the moment things don't go his way.

it would have to be someone who makes a small amount of mistakes.

it would have to be someone who takes responsibility for his mistakes.

the panthers deserve as much.

good luck

[panthers55]

I want to have a bet with the Jake slobbers on this forum. If we have a losing record next season and Jake has a bad year by anyone's standards, I want you all to make a big thread at the end of the season with a thread title of "I WAS WRONG" and I want you to call yourselves morons that should never be listened to. If we have a winning record and Jake has a great season by anyone's standards, then I will do the same on the other end.

Who's in?

That's not fair. You are already a moron and we aren't!

[carolinarolls]

Talent wise, he is an upgrade. But for the entire team he would not be. By bringing in Cutler you might as well get rid of Williams or Stewart, Otah, King, and Hoover as the run game would not be the focus of the offense. You don't bring in a QB like Cutler if the offense is run first. The chemistry, with no mention of any real or precieved character issues, would just not work with this team.

I would take Moore starting this season for the Panthers over Cutler just because of the type of offense they run. Payton Manning is one of the two best QBs in the league and their is no doubt about it but would he be a good fit in a run first offense? I don't think so. It's not an issue of talent as much as it is about chemistry.

but he IS an upgrade.

I don't agree that our entire running game would be obsolete as ANY AND EVERY star QB in history loves a great rush attack to make his job easier. The guy threw for 4500 last year without one at all and with an arguably inferior group of receivers.

Since when is an accurate quarterback NOT good for the team?

[rayzor]

good luck

we can have it. other teams have it. why not us. i think we are more likely to find that next year. i think it could be matt moore. i don't know. i do know that i can wait another year.

jake won't be here forever and we won't have to wait forever to find that QB.