Newton vs. Tebow

[Jangler]

I think Christopher Walken said it best...

[X-Clown]

X-Clown, what part do you disagree with?

The suggestion that The Golden Calf of Bristol is in any neighborhood close to being as good as Cam.

Are we not better on offense at skill positions? Line? Scheme?

Steve Smith is better than anyone on their team. But let's not pretend that Eric Decker, Demariyus Thomas, and Eddie Royal are some bums that they just signed off the street. I'd take any of those 3 over Naanee.

As far as offensive lines go, I would much rather have Ryan Clady than Jordan Gross, I'd rather have Orlando Franklin than Byron Bell, I'd call the guard matchup a push (Chris Kuper is their Travelle Wharton, and Zane Beadles is their Hangartner), and I'd obviously take Kalil. At best I would call that matchup a push.

Our scheme is better because we have a quarterback like Cam to run it. I don't think a QB like The Golden Calf of Bristol who is in a run first offense and can't even complete 50% of his passes would have a chance in hell of stepping in and delivering anything close to what Cam has given us so far.

Please let the record show that I also noted it was in a monsoon

So why even bring it up?

Were the Jags not the only top 10 defense we played? Was it not in a monsoon? Were Cam's numbers not very pedestrian?

So the cutoff line for his performances to count is that it has to be the Top 10 defenses? Those extra 10 yards per game that the 13th, 14th, and 15th ranked defenses allow (Washington, Atlanta, and New Orleans) somehow invalidates Cam's performances when we compare them to anyone else?

Did he not beat the Jags and Skins (who haven't won a game with Beck and all the injuries)?

Yes, the team did win those games with Cam at the helm. But context is fun. Cam has given his team a shot to win every single game he's played in, including the 2 NFC Championship teams from last year, the 2009 Super Bowl Champs, and the NFC South winners from last year, with little to no help from the other 2 units on the team.

The Golden Calf of Bristol by comparison won a game against a one-win, 23rd ranked defense Dolphins team in which the team clearly won in spite of him. He absolutely stunk up the field in one of the worst performances I've ever seen against the Lions, losing by 35 points. And then his latest win was against the Raiders and their 26th ranked defense, a game in which The Golden Calf of Bristol only needed to complete 10 passes since their defense forced 3 INTs, had a punt return for a TD, and the Raiders apparently forgot how to tackle Willis McGahee. How many games has Cam's defense/special teams stepped up in that big of a way to help him win games?

[MWCarolina]

Steve Smith is better than anyone on their team. But let's not pretend that Eric Decker, Demariyus Thomas, and Eddie Royal are some bums that they just signed off the street. I'd take any of those 3 over Naanee.

i agree that Smith is better than their WRs, BUT as for the rest, let's look. Decker is real young and i rather have him than LaFell. Thomas is injury prone and i would take him, BUT he's basically a developmental WR like The Golden Calf of Bristol is at QB. Thomas came out of a triple spread option. Eddie Royal is good when healthy which isnt often. their WRs are still adjusting to the NFL though and that's why i tend to agree that The Golden Calf of Bristol doesnt have the talent that Carolina has. Carolina at least has two TEs and LaFell isnt better than Decker and Royal (though he maybe better than Thomas right now) and the line is about the same and the panthers have more depth at running back. if McGahee gets hurt, denver's running game will stink.

[Future of the Funchise]

i swear i've seen this op before... like two weeks ago. this thread looks familiar... thead-ja-vu...