A scary stat for the offense...

[Jackofalltrades]

16th in scoring has to improve, moving the ball between the 20's is pointless without TD's.

[King Taharqa]

One more thought as long as we are talking about amazing seasons...

I really feel sorry for people like PFFL. Cam Newton is having not just the most incredible rookie season we have ever seen, he is having the most productive debut of any QB in history, superior to people like Otto Graham and other hall of famers.

As a football fan, if you can't savor this moment, there is something wrong with your perspective.

PFFL and TRD are not football fans or Panther fans. They are Matt Moore dickriders, this is there way of showing Matt they love him by making the fans of his former team pay! :lol: And belittling the historic season Cameron is having. Zod and the mods made a huge mistake even taking these dudes serious this past spring and defending their right to spew garbage under the guise "it isnt racism its logic!". It empowered their bullshit, and now we're stuck with them here doing their best to tear down any positivity we have.

[Skew]

If we have to allow you to spew your garbage and racism, we have to let everyone. No favorites here, Queenie.

[King Taharqa]

If we have to allow you to spew your garbage and racism, we have to let everyone. No favorites here, Queenie.

Hey, its yalls board, as long as you guys know and are trained to keep it on the net where you feel safe, and hold your head down and be quiet when I walk by in real life, its all gravytrain to me. By the way Skewie, how bout our new QB? I just know you looooooove what he's doing out there this year huh? :lol:

[teeray]

16th in scoring has to improve, moving the ball between the 20's is pointless without TD's.

We are scoring TDs though. We are 6th in the NFL in TDs per possession. The problem is we are not getting enough possessions. We are currently 30th in that category. Plus we aren't getting any defensive TDS or special teams TDs to inflate our PPG number.

Don't get me wrong our offense can get better but they have been highly productive this season.

[ed bell]

The Red Zone strategy for this unit is evolving....no way the staff could know what they had to work with until we started playing regular season games.

This is because:

A) Cam was raw as hell and not even declared the starter until late pre-season.

B) Not enough practice time to decide about a cohesive unit and full installation of a complicated offense.

Now the coaches have a much better idea of what the guys are comfortable with, so there should be an improvement in the decisions the coaches make paired with execution from the players. The Vikings game showed that, but unfortunately we had a penalty that stalled a nice drive for the game winning score. Unfortunate, but it shouldn't have come down to that play and missed FG anyway.

[Dpantherman]

So what happens if you score 30+ but you can't stop the other team?

[WilliamsR]

We are scoring TDs though. We are 6th in the NFL in TDs per possession. The problem is we are not getting enough possessions. We are currently 30th in that category. Plus we aren't getting any defensive TDS or special teams TDs to inflate our PPG number.

Don't get me wrong our offense can get better but they have been highly productive this season.

And the reason for that is holding penalties, offensive turnovers and sacks. Not defense because they are ranked 11th in time of possession.

So it's the offense's own damn fault they don't get enough possessions.

[ed bell]

And the reason for that is holding penalties, offensive turnovers and sacks. Not defense because they are ranked 11th in time of possession.

So it's the offense's own damn fault they don't get enough possessions.

Those don't lead to less possessions....they lead to more stalled drives.

[WilliamsR]

If you think folks don't care about winning, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure Marguide does, but he is trying to point out that despite our record we are seeing an amazing rookie performance by our rookie QB. Cam is under a first year coaching staff, with a new offensive system and had truncated prep time due to the lockout. You don't acknowledge that, because you are too busy torturing statistics in the attempt to prove that Cam is failing to win games. While there have been struggles and Red Zone difficulties, that is part of the learning process for Cam and his coaches.

The defense is hurting big time from injuries to the top two leaders who were going to help compensate for the inexperience we were forced to field at DT when we lost Edwards. Net result there? We aren't getting the help from Defense needed to win these close games. They aren't responsible for the loses by themselves, but they most certainly played a significant role.

I can say that without screaming it from the rooftops and making the ridiculous claim that most people here just don't get it and it's up to me to show folks what's really going on.

Nutshell right there.....to prove something you need an adequate sample size....the 2011 season to this point is not one.

This is where you are wrong. I do acknowledge this. But where most people have it backwards, is the reason we are running this style offense in the first place is Cam Newton and our offensive line. Everybody knew our O-line last year was pooty and Cam himself admitted he doesn't know how to dissect defenses. So they designed an offense easy enough for him to get settled into, and one that gives him as much time as possible to throw and then take off with the ball which is his advantage. The lockout has a lot to do with it too, but 12 games into the season is no reason why we should not be in a position to run more plays from under center and get our running game going. Not unless our o-line still sucks, or Cam Newton still has issues throwing off his back foot when taking snaps from under center.

And when you say we are not getting help from the defense to win the close games, I can't possibly agree with you when I see the score stay within 1 TD, but our offense doesn't score for 25 minutes and 3-4 consecutive possessions in the second half of the game. What do you call that? Is that not help? When our defense maintains the scored within 7 or tied for 2 or sometimes even 3 possessions, isn't that help?

What do you call it when our offense gets on average 2 possessions in the 4th quarter, with the score tied or down by 1 TD to try to do something? Is that not help? You do realize this offense has had 14 offensive possessions late in the game with the opportunity to tie or win it and they only did it 1 time? Is that not help?

Those 14 possessions is what the defense gave them.

So are you are telling me you want our defense to give our offense 3 possessions per 4th quarter while keeping the other team from scoring 3 time? Or are you under the impression that if we just had an even better defense we would be blowing all of these teams out?

[ed bell]

Somehow this is going to lead to a "we are near the bottom of the league in points scored per second".

[ed bell]

So are you are telling me you want our defense to give our offense 3 possessions per 4th quarter while keeping the other team from scoring 3 time? Or are you under the impression that if we just had an even better defense we would be blowing all of these teams out?

Nope...and nope, but a better defense would have given us at least two more wins and would have totally snuffed out your contention that we have a choke artist at QB.

[WilliamsR]

Those don't lead to less possessions....they lead to more stalled drives.

Again I ask you to try and put 3 strings of thought together, not just two.

If their penalties is leading them to having stalled drives, and our defense is ranked 11th in time of possession, while our offense is also getting more time on the field than our defense....

....whose fault is that? If they score faster, and don't blow their opportunities, they can get more posessions! Because there will be more possessions overall per game. So the number of possessions increases. That also gives the defense more chances to be on the field, get more takeaways, which would give them more possessions.

You understand? But the problem here would be as long as Cam throws more pics than our opponent, the more possessions our offense gets, the more they give them away to our opponent with great field positions.

This is a bad thing.

As long as Cam Newton has a worse interception per pass attempt than the opposing quarterback, the more possessions our offense gets, or better said, the more we pass the ball, the greater the advantage goes to our opponent. So the key is, keep the low possessions, this is a good thing with him being a rookie, but don't blow your opportunities. Get the run game going to maintain time of possession, and eliminate penalties. Don't give Cam more possession where he's passing the ball more. This is what's costing us games. Especially when he has to do this late in the 4th quarter under pressure.

Our time of possession favors our offense because of penalties, which is a bad thing.

[DawgzLife]

WilliamR, you are right that it is better to have less possessions with a higher rate of scoring success (paraphrase). The only way it would benefit us to score fast &/or often is if we had a D that could force a lot of turnovers.

I don't get the part about Cam & 4th quarter under pressure tho, he has performed well in those scenarios overall.

We do need to establish an effective running game tho, some ground & pound where we can run it, even when they know it's coming...I've not seen that out of this offense yet. We do have the players to make that happen tho.

I'm not overly concerned about Cam's INTs or his ability to get things done, but you are right about limiting possessions & running the ball effectively. Our D needs a lot of work & we need to get more possessions from them taking it away too.

Nice post!