A scary stat for the offense...

[teeray]

Our offense is currently 6th in the NFL in point per possessions. We are also 6th in the NFL in TDs per possession. Yet we are 16th in PPG. Why the big discrepancy? It is pretty easy math IMO. We aren't getting enough possessions.

Why aren't we getting more possessions? There are several reasons for this. And most of it comes back to our defense :(

Although our defense against the run is getting better every week (a trend that hopefully continues) they still rank among the worst in the NFL in attempts against (20th), yards per attempt (24th), rushing TDs (32), rushing yards per game (28th), rushing first downs (27th), and our defense is currently really bad on third down conversion rate (30th).

The result is that teams are having long sustained drives against our defense. As a result it is shortening the game and lowering the number of possessions by both teams.

Also our defense is not getting three and outs, turnovers, or keeping teams out of the endzone. The result of that is we seemingly to have to go 80 or 90 yards every drive. So our offense is having long sustained drives that are eating up the clock as well. Thus even further reducing the game time and the number of possessions.

Our offense can always get better as well. If we took care of the ball better we would obviously improve our points per possession.

But as this young defense continues to grow and with the infusion of some more talent on that side of the ball next season you will see better results with this offense in terms of PPG.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/position/defense

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/position/defense

[CatMan72]

When Cam doesn't turn the ball over we win because our defense isn't generating hardly any turnovers, so we have zero margin for error in terms of turnovers.

You shouldn't automatically lose because your QB throws one pick.

[SevenSixes]

To those who don't want to read:

5th in Total Yards

5th in Passing Yards

8th in Rushing Yards

16th in Scoring

Compared to:

25th in Points Allowed

18th in Yards Allowed

13th in Passing Yards Allowed

28th in Rushing Yards Allowed

*Some one help me out and get our ranking in 3rd down stops plz. cause I think it's like 27th..

Now ask yourself how many of these stats do we need to change to get 7 more points a game (or 7 fewer points scored against us)?

We're not far from great, even closer to being good.

[Marguide]

When Cam doesn't turn the ball over we win because our defense isn't generating hardly any turnovers, so we have zero margin for error in terms of turnovers.

You shouldn't automatically lose because your QB throws one pick.

That is absolutely true, but we also have to get a handle on the penalties. We really only have one young guy starting on offense, Byron Bell, and he is our most penalized player. But Naanee is our 2nd most penalized player and that is really bad considering WR is not a position typically associated with a lot of penalties. Our TE's also have more than their share.

Clean up the penalties, and we may have a bit more margin of error than we have now.

Amazingly, if we can cut down the int's a bit, and reduce our penalties to a normal level, the offense we will be most similar to statistically is GB.

[CRA]

Amazingly, if we can cut down the int's a bit, and reduce our penalties to a normal level, the offense we will be most similar to statistically is GB.

and GB still wouldn't of won so many games if there defense didn't create so many turnovers.

GB has the best offense in the league....and they still have been dependant there crappy D to get turnovers. There D gives up yards but they get the ball.

[CatMan72]

I went back and watched a condensed replay of each game on NFL.COM, just sat there shaking my head... we really do shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and defensive/special teams breakdowns.

It actually gave me hope, if we can clean up the penalties and play even mediocre defense and special teams, we will start winning lots of games.

[CRA]

I went back and watched a condensed replay of each game on NFL.COM, just sat there shaking my head... we really do shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and defensive/special teams breakdowns.

It actually gave me hope, if we can clean up the penalties and play even mediocre defense and special teams, we will start winning lots of games.

I don't, I think until the D or ST starts making plays....we don't win many. Look at the best team in the NFL (which boasts the best offense)....then look at how many games they won b/c of key and huge plays from their D.

[MagiFootball]

Our offense is currently 6th in the NFL in point per possessions. We are also 6th in the NFL in TDs per possession. Yet we are 16th in PPG. Why the big discrepancy? It is pretty easy math IMO. We aren't getting enough possessions.

Why aren't we getting more possessions? There are several reasons for this. And most of it comes back to our defense :(

Although our defense against the run is getting better every week (a trend that hopefully continues) they still rank among the worst in the NFL in attempts against (20th), yards per attempt (24th), rushing TDs (32), rushing yards per game (28th), rushing first downs (27th), and our defense is currently really bad on third down conversion rate (30th).

The result is that teams are having long sustained drives against our defense. As a result it is shortening the game and lowering the number of possessions by both teams.

Also our defense is not getting three and outs, turnovers, or keeping teams out of the endzone. The result of that is we seemingly to have to go 80 or 90 yards every drive. So our offense is having long sustained drives that are eating up the clock as well. Thus even further reducing the game time and the number of possessions.

Our offense can always get better as well. If we took care of the ball better we would obviously improve our points per possession.

But as this young defense continues to grow and with the infusion of some more talent on that side of the ball next season you will see better results with this offense in terms of PPG.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/position/defense

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/position/defense

By far one of the most retarded and false arguments you will hear on the Huddle. Everything you just posted is wrong.

We don't need more possessions. We need to stop turning over the ball. Do you read all the way across? You see the 17th by turnovers and 24th in interceptions per drive?

We don't score enough points. We don't win our close 4th quarter games. We don't put the games away. None of what you are talking about matters when our offense isn't capable of finishing off a team late in the 4th quarter. We go for as much as 25 minutes in the second half without scoring in some games, and our defense is keeping the score within 1, so our O can tie or win. And they don't do it.

And btw, you are wrong once again because our defense is ranked 11th in time of possession.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-time-of-possession-pct-net-of-ot

They're rushing on us all right, but the defense isn't on that field very long. It's the offense. Too bad most of that time is spend on penalties due to holds. Primary reason for that being not getting the ball out of your hands fast enough.

The easiest math is the one that's not required.

See this stat? :http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

Everyone except the Patriots and Pittsburg ranked below 15th are either tied or losers. All the top 10 teams in this category have winning records, with the exception of 1 which is tied. We're ranked 21st in efficiency and because of that we lose. It comes from the 4th quarter. What makes it worse is that we are 21st in efficiency while playing against the worst defenses in the league.

[Marguide]

I don't, I think until the D or ST starts making plays....we don't win many. Look at the best team in the NFL (which boasts the best offense)....then look at how many games they won b/c of key and huge plays from their D.

I think everyone knows we probably cannot expect a miraculous turnaround from the defense this year, or probably the ST's either. We just don't have much talent on that side of the ball.

So we are going to have to lean on the O. It's not fair, but it is reality.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

We need this

[rayzor]

yep.

roach keeps coming back with a different name.

This message is hidden because MagiFootball is on your ignore list.

[Marguide]

yep.

roach keeps coming back with a different name.

You're right. And what makes it sad is this was a good, intelligent discussion, free of insults, with a group of fans trying to take a critical look at how the team can get better over the 2nd half.

PFFL shows up with his sole intention to convince us that we are getting bad QB play.

This is getting really, really old.

[Doc Holiday]

To those who don't want to read:

5th in Total Yards

5th in Passing Yards

8th in Rushing Yards

16th in Scoring

Before our bye week on offense we were

2nd pass offense

7th rush offense

Were probably close to number 1 before the bye

[panthers55]

What else can we add. Honestly this in my estimation is a better and more informative discussion than a 200 post back and forth about an esoteric stat that while informative is hardly indicative of the offense in isolation as debated. At least here there is common sense recognitiion that units on the team are highly interdependent. Surely the coaches and players understand that basic concept. In fact anyone from midget football on up understands that.