A scary stat for the offense...

[WilliamsR]

Selective highlighting....just like your thought process....shocker that you don't see the complete picture. I'm not surprised at all.

Selective highlighting?

Cam Newton is ranked 68.0 and 50% or under in the 4th quarter in comeback winning games across all 7 of his 4th quarter comeback winning games. It's not selective, it's overall.

Why is it so hard to get through your head the man is 1 for 14 possessions in the 4th quarter when tied or down? He's ranked nearly last, overall, not selective, in sacks and interceptions.

What does that have to do with the defense? It's that simple. We are the worst in the league in holding penalties. What does that have to do with the defense?

The man is 0-6 when we have a turnover. We are 2-0 when we don't. How hard is that to grasp?

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So why is it that one a day when our defense is ranked # 8 in the NFL in total yards allowed per game, #1 in the NFL in yards per play, playing against a team that's ranked 32 in the NFL on offense in yards per play, the bad team gets 31 points and ranks first in yards per point and 3 interceptions while our #1 defense is ranked last or next to last in points per game?

That's a lot of logic to give an obvious answer, so I don't expect an answer.

Because the Panthers played the Falcons in Atlanta and the statistics you cited weren't plugged into the game stats to determine the result of the contest?

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The man is 0-6 when we have a turnover. We are 2-0 when we don't. How hard is that to grasp?

Again...turnovers are bad....stop the presses. Are you freaking kidding me?

[WilliamsR]

Again...turnovers are bad....stop the presses. Are you freaking kidding me?

And a 68.0 QB rating is not bad? A 50% or under completion ratio is not bad?

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Selective highlighting?

Means you selectively highlighted a portion of my post and failed to address the "In certain games I can agree with this " part. Simple, but you can't handle that. It's OK, I forgive you for misreading my post.

[Jangler]

There are a lot of words in this thread that I did not read.

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Obviously you are extremely sure of your analysis of the capabilities of this team....predict the outcome for today's game using the statistics you are relying on.....that should be simple compared to the extra long pontifications we've been blessed to be provided with....:D

I'll start....Passing game thrives with Tennessee's suspect secondary....we jump to a lead and take out the worry of having Johnson run on us....keep pressure on and end up winning 28-17. I'm guessing, but I think we win in a walk....your turn.

[WilliamsR]

Because the Panthers played the Falcons in Atlanta and the statistics you cited weren't plugged into the game stats to determine the result of the contest?

Yes they were.

YPP includes sacks, penalties, QB rating, everything. It is part of an offenses scoring efficiency. That IS what a QB rating is.

Passing efficiency. Touchdown efficiency. Interception Efficiency. All of those put in together = QB rating. So that is a big part of what makes up an offense's YPP.

[WilliamsR]

Obviously you are extremely sure of your analysis of the capabilities of this team....predict the outcome for today's game using the statistics you are relying on.....that should be simple compared to the extra long pontifications we've been blessed to be provided with....:D

I'll start....Passing game thrives with Tennessee's suspect secondary....we jump to a lead and take out the worry of having Johnson run on us....keep pressure on and end up winning 28-17. I'm guessing, but I think we win in a walk....your turn.

Already did:http://pantherstalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=21.0

The only problem with that analysis....is that I don't think we can score 30 points if we turn over the ball 2 times and our D doesn't also get 2. So I should have added that in. We also need 2 from Tennessee to get 30 points.

[teeray]

Excuse me I added total plays with rushing plays by accident. just goes to show you I did it quick. That still tells you our defense was AVERAGE. So it actually fits perfectly! LMFAO. SO you just proved our defense is average. With your OWN numbers. Good job Teeray. I AGREE!!!

What does that say about our offense though? Why did our average defense look last in PPY against an average offense?

Why is that worse Teeray? Who the hell cares if they were run or pass. They are AVERAGE!

When our offense becomes average ....you can ask more from our defense. As long as our offense is ranked last in the league against an average offense there nothing to ask from our defense.

You understand?

I told you you keep proving yourself wrong with your own statements: 5.6 is exactly average. So our defense was average against an average offense. REALLY? But they are not ranked average in anything are they? They are ranked 18th, 29th, and 29th....

All thanks to our offense.

There are a couple of reasons our defensive YPP was so bad that game.

First and perhaps most importantly is that our defense allowed Atlanta to score on 5 of their 7 possessions with 4 TDs. If you allow the other team to score that efficiently (especially scoring TDs instead of field goals) your defensive YPP is going to look bad no matter what.

Secondly, our defense had exactly zero three and outs. This gave Atlanta the field position advantage for the entire game. We had starting field position in each respective drive at the 12, 19, 22, 20, 16, 20, 23, and 22 yard lines. That gives us a starting field position average of the 19 yard line. So the only two times our defense actually forced a punt they still allowed Atlanta to pin us back deep in our own territory.

Third Cam threw that interception and gave Atlanta a short field and we couldn't keep them out of the endzone.

So our defensive YPP was bad because our defense played bad. If you let a team score on 5 of 7 possessions and the only time you get defensive stops you still let the other team pin you deep in you own territory, well you are going to have a bad YYP.

*note I am not counting the Atlanta drive when they had 75 yards to go with 30 seconds left before halftime and chucked a few deep balls to end the half. Since there were only 7 yards gained on that drive and no points it was insignificant to the YPP or the context of the game.

[mav1234]

dont know how anyone can watch our games and think our defense is average... i could have bought that when it was NO and GB running up on us, but it doesn't matter who it is, we make opposing offenses look impressive outside of monsoons.

[teeray]

My last post brought something to my attention that further illustrates why PPY is not a good gauge for offensive efficiency.

If you were to have a three and out and gain zero yards (say three straight incomplete passes) and score zero points as far as offensive PPY is concerned that drive doesn't even exist!!

So in theory, if a team were to have ten drives, have ten straight three and outs, and gain zero yards on any drive, but then on the 11th drive they complete one 70 yard pass for a TD, then in terms of how it would be scored using PPY that team would be at 10 yards per point and they would lead the NFL in that category. It is as if those other ten drives for zero yards never existed in YPP.

That also means that the only turnovers that really hurt you in PPY is if you turn it over after a long drive. And sometimes a turnover may not register at all.

For instance, if the offense were to throw a pick 6 on the first play of a drive, as far as PPY is concerned it doesn't even exist! That drive would have zero yards and zero team points therefore it would register as nothing in PPY!

So if a team threw 3 straight interceptions on their first play on three consecutive drives, and then had a 70 yard TD drive on their 4th drive their YPP would be 10 yards per point and they would lead the NFL in that category!!

I don't think anyone would agree that in either scenario that would constitute being efficient on offense.

That is why it is my opinion that PPP (points per possession) is a far greater measure for true offensive efficiency because it actually accounts for everything offensively (including turnovers) except field position.

Just another thought before I go off to bed.

[WilliamsR]

There is a couple of reasons our defensive YPP was so bad that game.

First and perhaps most importantly is that our defense allowed Atlanta to score on 5 of their 7 possessions. If you allow the other team to score that efficiently your defensive YPP is going to look bad no matter what.

Secondly, our defense had no three and outs. This gave Atlanta the field position advantage for the entire game. We had starting field position in each respective drive at the 12, 19, 22, 20, 16, 20, 23, and 22 yard lines. That gives us a starting field position average of the 19 yard line. So the only two times our defense actually forced a punt they still allowed Atlanta to pin us back deep in our own territory.

Third Cam threw that interception and gave Atlanta a short field and we couldn't keep them out of the endzone.

So our defensive YPP was bad because our defense played bad. If you let a team score on 5 of 7 possessions and the only time you get defensive stops you let the other team pin you deep in you own te

Terrritory, well you are going to have a bad YYP.

STOP TALKING STATS. JUST READ AND LEARN. I will teach you how to use them ok?

yards per point = the other team travels less yards to get 1 point.

Atlanta starting positions:

1st and 10 at ATL 20(good job Carolina special teams)

1st and 10 at ATL 19(good job Carolina special teams)

1st and 10 at ATL 20(good job Carolina special teams)

1st and 10 at ATL 25(bad job offense. Bad Job Cam Newton. Intercepted.)

1st and 10 at CAR 49(bad job Carolina offense. result of: 3 and out. Bad job Cam Newton sacked on third down at Carolina 17th. Forced ST punt.)

1st and 10 at ATL 40(bad job Carolina offense. 3 and out at Carolina 15th. Newton throws 2 back to back incomplete passes. 2 holding penalties.)

1st and 10 at CAR 39(bad job Carolina Offense. Bad Job Cam Newton INTERCEPTED at Carolina 32)

That's why my defense had bad YPP! Cam Newton.

My defense allowed 3 TD out of 7 possessions. or 42% of their drives. Pretty good I say.

Care to look at your offense real quick?

Carolina starting positions:

1st and 10 at CAR 12(atrocious job Carolina special teams offense. good job Carolina defense. Stopped Atlanta at 50 prior.)

1st and 10 at CAR 19(bad job Carolina special teams offense)

1st and 10 at CAR 22(bad job Carolina special teams offense. bad job offense Cam Newton INTERCEPTED.)

1st and 10 at CAR 20(bad job Carolina special teams offense. Good job Atlanta special teams 65 yard kick)

1st and 10 at ATL 25(Touchback. good job Atlanta kicker.)

1st and 10 at CAR 16(good job defense. stopped Atlanta at 48 prior. bad job ST offense. bad job offense. 3 and out. Cam Newton sacked. forced punt from Carolina 9.)

1st and 10 at CAR 20(good job Atlanta kicker. Touchback. Bad job offense. 3 and out. 2 back to back pass incompletions by Cam. 2 penalties by offense.)

1st and 10 at CAR 23(bad job special teams offense. Horrible job Cam Newton. Cam Newton Intercepted at Car 32 with the game tied).

1st and 10 at CAR 23(bad job special teams offense)

1st and 10 at CAR 22(Bad Job Cam Newton. Poor time management. Interception.).

So my defense got scored TD's on 3 of 7 possessions excluding turnovers. 42% This is ok. This is a win most of the time. So is keeping a team to 3 points.

Your offense scored touchdowns on 2 of 10 possessions. 20% This is FAIL!

Your offense scored points on 3 of 10 possessions. 30%. This is FAIL!

Yes I know why my defense YPP is bad and it's always the fuging offense's fault. And mainly Cam Newton's fault. And I also know why my offense has bad YPP and it's also Cam Newton's fault

So what you're saying is....you want 20 possessions? 40 possessions? Why doesn't my offense have 42% TD's to possessions? Cause Teeray sucks!

LOL.

How the hell do you guys watch that above on TV...and come out with defense's fault? HOW? HOW?

[Porn Shop Clerk]

is that you rush limbaugh?

i have never seen anyone stat rape a rookie qb to death like you do. you act like he's started for 10 years and just threw 5 interceptions in a playoff game.

die already.