Penn State...what did Paterno know?

[4Corners]

Digusting huff-po article on Sandusky "pimping out" kids

we haven't even scratched the surface on this story.

[Dpantherman]

Concerning Paterno, there is a big discrepancy btw what he says he was told and what the guy said he told him. In the process of reading the actual indictment

[Kitten Diver]

Concerning Paterno, there is a big discrepancy btw what he says he was told and what the guy said he told him. In the process of reading the actual indictment

So you're confirming what we already know. Paterno lied.

The GA has nothing to gain by coming clean. Paterno has lots to gain by claiming ignorance.

[fjblair]

do yourself a favor. If you can get past page 3 without being sick to your stomach you are better than me:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

No it's disgusting, but I was referring to JP's role not the actual sick crime.

[fjblair]

In my mind a reasonable reaction when you are god and king of a campus, and your right hand man is raping boys in YOUR shower, witnessed by YOUR grad assistant is to fire the guy, find out who the kid is (no one did, or cared), make sure he is ok, and call the cops yourself and be damned sure a FULL investigation is launched.

That is, unless you suck as a human being.

Or you are senile.

Dude the guy was not working for Paterno. Even if he was you don't fire somebody in a university without an investigation. I'm not defending anyone but the fact is it was way more complicated than it seems on the surface.

[fjblair]

He wasn't employees by Joe at that point. He was a professor with the university not the football department, so Joe couldn't fire him. Joe could have raised hell though. If Joe Paterno so much as sneezes in Happy Valley there's some one there with the finest tissue softened with the tears of virgins there to wipe his nose for him. If Joe wanted Sandusky gone all he had to do was say it, but he didn't.

Nice job with actual facts but then you jump right in to speculation. None of us know poo about how this played out.

[Carolina Husker]

Dude the guy was not working for Paterno. Even if he was you don't fire somebody in a university without an investigation. I'm not defending anyone but the fact is it was way more complicated than it seems on the surface.

Umm, yes he was.

Nice job with actual facts but then you jump right in to speculation. None of us know poo about how this played out.

Umm, yes we do.

[fjblair]

Anyone who's "waiting on more evidence" to decide if JoePa is part and parcel to this whole fiasco, as journalistically honest as it may be, is 1. severly underestimating the severity of the phrase "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" 2. completely unaware of the culture JoePa created at that University and 3. dreaming.

This will not get better for Joe. He will not be exonerated.

I don't think he will be either but I also think nobody knows anything at this point about what went on at the university level. A cover up of some sort for sure but nobody knows how it's going to play. Speculation run rampant.

[fjblair]

Umm, yes he was.

Umm wrong. Pay attention. He worked as a professor.

Umm, yes we do.

and um wrong again, unless you are on the board of trustees or something.

Whatever dude don't let the facts get in the way of a good internet scandal.

[Carolina Husker]

and um wrong again, unless you are on the board of trustees or something.

Whatever dude don't let the facts get in the way of a good internet scandal.

Who is it you think we're talking about?

What facts do you disagree with? Do you think this entire ordeal is based on hearsay? There's a 23 page indictment with lots of info if you care to be any more specific with your references.

[Montsta]

and um wrong again, unless you are on the board of trustees or something.

Whatever dude don't let the facts get in the way of a good internet scandal.

Just read the entire indictment and the facts that we do know to be true, as testified by Paterno in front of a Grand Jury, are that he was told by Mike McQueery at a meeting at his house that he had seen something going on that was inappropriate between Sandusky and a boy, estimated to be 10-13 years old. Now you can believe MM, or you can believe JP on the exact verbage of what he saw, but even if you believe the less-graphic version testified by Paterno, it would be cause enough to make sure that an investigation is opened up IMMEDIATELY, and that Sandusky is banned from campus until the investigation is concluded. This is not a witch hunt. JoePa knew something inappropriate had happened between Sandusky and a child, and did the bare minimum to address it and then wiped his hands of the matter. Those are facts as presented in the indictment by a grand jury stemming from testimony of person(s) directly involved with the case.

This is not a juicy internet scandal that people are watching. It is the atrocious acts of a souless monster who enticed underprivileged boys with promises of sporting events and sporting gear, while he was in a DIRECT position to protect them.

What makes it worse, is there were people in a position of power who could have stopped this as early as 1998, but certainly no later than 2002, and they all either turned a blind eye, or did just enough to absolve themselves of criminally illegal wrongdoing.

The janitor, Jim Calhoun, was so distraught over what he had witnessed that several different persons thought he was going to have a heart attack on the spot. This from a man that fought in Korea and saw "guts spilled out" and dismembered bodies. This man is now in a nursing home with dementia. Not saying the incidents are related, but who knows what kind of toll this thing has had on this guys mind for the past nine years.

This isn't just some juicy scandal that people are salivating over. This is the most deplorable allegation of crimes that could ever hit any institution, and what I see as criminal indifference by people in a position to stop it.

[fjblair]

Who is it you think we're talking about?

What facts do you disagree with? Do you think this entire ordeal is based on hearsay? There's a 23 page indictment with lots of info if you care to be any more specific with your references.

No this sick ordeal obviously happened. Everybody keeps saying Paterno should have immediately fired Sandusky but Sandusky was not his employee. Sandusky is clearly a sick pervert but it's hard to say what JP should have or should have not done from the testimony in the indictment. I don't know what university policy was, I don't know if it was followed. I do know there was a cover up but there is no way to tell from the information we have who is responsible.

These kind of stories get people into an emotional tizzy but uncovering the actual truth is much more complicated and nuanced than it seems on the surface. I'm talking about Paterno and the University here not the creep who is clearly guilty.

[Montsta]

No this sick ordeal obviously happened. Everybody keeps saying Paterno should have immediately fired Sandusky but Sandusky was not his employee. Sandusky is clearly a sick pervert but it's hard to say what JP should have or should have not done from the testimony in the indictment. I don't know what university policy was, I don't know if it was followed. I do know there was a cover up but there is no way to tell from the information we have who is responsible.

These kind of stories get people into an emotional tizzy but uncovering the actual truth is much more complicated and nuanced than it seems on the surface. I'm talking about Paterno and the University here not the creep who is clearly guilty.

A ten year old boy was anally raped in Joe Paterno's team locker room. It was brought to Paterno's attention as sexual activity in some capacity. It took nine years after that for Sandusky to be in handcuffs. Would you agree that to be fact?

[MadHatter]

One question that has not been addressed.

If McQueary and Calhoun saw the atrocious acts that they outlined in the indictment (and I assume that they did), why did NEITHER go to the police.

McQueary reported it to his superior.....which is exactly what Paterno did.

I am not excusing Paterno's non-action....he SHOULD have done more. But, McQueary seems to be getting a total pass....and he ACTUALLY witnessed the action, and basically did nothing about it.

If I walked in on what he says he saw, I would have damn sure done something about it right then. I would have gone after Sandusky....not just turned and walk away.