"Talk about that kid in Carolina, but this kid Dalton is pretty good"

[Lord_Vader]

Doesn't matter how the defense does. If Tennessee wins 31-26, it'll be "Cam still can't win" and "Dalton just beat this team", instead of the Panthers' defense couldn't stop a pee wee team.

I agree with you totally---that is what I was trying to get at. Hell it could be 50-49 and Cam couldn't get it done.:banghead:

[C47]

Dalton makes it easy for a lot of Newton's detractors to avoid admitting that they were wrong basically.

Seriously how many people who loathed the pick are on the Dalton train now

Which is ghey, if you were wrong man up and admit it. I was and I've said I was wrong, and frankly, I'm really glad I was wrong....

[KillerKat]

If win % is a QB stat, then Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, and Joe Flacco are better than Brees and Brady. It means that Vick and Cam aren't even Top 20 QBs. Do you see how goddamn ridiculous is?

Both are playing well, just Cam is doing it himself while Dalton has a team. Crediting wins all to the QB himself is just stupid.

[TheOracle]

Of course the Bengals are 6-2 for more reasons than Dalton... but he's a major reason why. The team was abysmal and in disarray last year... Dalton has helped turn them around. It's not as if Dalton got a lead from the defense and sat on it, he lead a comeback to win the game and protected the football while doing so.

He deserves a great deal of the credit for playing good football. He's doing exactly what he is asked. That doesn't mean he is doing it alone - maybe Bradshaw said he was, I didn't hear his comment - but it seems the only people unimpressed by Dalton are those who think admitting someone else is playing well is somehow a slight against Cam.

He's a "major reason why"? Some of these games that they won, he didn't even throw for 200 yards.

What part of IF THE PANTHERS SCORE 29 FREAKING POINTS, they still lose don't you people get? That should be elevated in your mind, or you still don't get it. Don't keep bringing up Dalton unless you're going to say that his team's defense can keep the other team under 24 points.

I'm not giving him credit until the media starts talking about how one defense can get stops and the other one can't, or else I'm contributing to the lie.

The Bengals are a COMPLETE TEAM. The Panthers are an Offense and nothing else.

[mav1234]

As I stated before, the Bengals weren't really looking for a QB per-say. They just got one on stand-by just in case Carson didn't changed his mind.:D

you can state it, but it doesn't' make it true.

it was pretty well known they were looking for someone to replace Palmer. They originally hoped it could be someone who was groomed while Palmer played another couple seasons, but they targeted Dalton because they thought he fit what their OC wanted to do with the offense.

He's a "major reason why"? Some of these games that they won, he didn't even throw for 200 yards.

What part of IF THE PANTHERS SCORE 29 FREAKING POINTS, they still lose don't you people get? That should be elevated in your mind, or you still don't get it. Don't keep bringing up Dalton unless you're going to say that his defense can keep the other team under 24 points.

I'm not giving him credit until the media starts talking about how one defense can get stops and the other one can't, or else I'm contributing to the lie.

The Bengals are a COMPLETE TEAM. The Panthers are an Offense and nothing else.

I can tell you haven't watched many Bengals games, so it's all good. Nobody is saying the Bengals aren't a complete team, but why does that mean that Dalton shouldn't get props? It's not as if Cam is being ignored. Dalton should get the credit he deserves for playing very well and helping his team to win.

Also, if we scored 29 points we'd have won 5 games this season. Just so happens that we're not actually scoring 29 points on average, so we need better defense. Ah well.

As to bringing up his defense, that's what I meant in saying "of course the Bengals are 6-2 for more reasons than Dalton", "that does not mean he's doing it alone", etc.

[The0racle]

I agree with you totally---that is what I was trying to get at. Hell it could be 50-49 and Cam couldn't get it done.:banghead:

But that will change Sunday.

Panthers 34, Titans 13!

[jtnc]

And that was the first thing said as soon as the show came on.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

I watched the draft at my friend's (Cowboys fan) house and I remember pulling my shirt up over my face and them all laughing at me when the pick came in. I was already drunk but I definitely remember that part.

I wanted us to keep Matt Moore around, draft Dareus/Green, and bring in a veteran or a later round rookie QB (wanted Stanzi or Kaepernick). I'm happy to be wrong.

[C47]

not so sure about that - the Bengals actually are averaging more points per game than we are, we might just have their record instead of being undefeated. ;)

Actually if you look at their scoring defense 17.6 ppg and distribute that across all games (which is why I said if we had a D that only gave up 17.6 per game) and then use our scoring offense 23.4 points per game, then we would be undefeated. Our lowest scoring output of the season was 16 points to Jacksonville, but Cincinnati's D would have held the Jags under 10 points. The only game that would be in question would be Atlanta where we scored exactly 17 points.....

[footballisasport]

I don't see why you can't praise both of them.

It seems like people can't talk about Dalton without putting down Cam, or vice versa.

It seems as if Terry didn't care for Cam in the first place. So why be so concerned that he has another QB to praise that isn't Cam. 95% of those guys in the media predicted Cam was not going to amount to much because of their, "fill-in-the-blank" questions and fake concerns?

Cam is working three times harder than Dalton with the Panthers but isn't that the way it is suppose to be?

[mav1234]

Actually if you look at their scoring defense 17.6 ppg and distribute that across all games (which is why I said if we had a D that only gave up 17.6 per game) and then use our scoring offense 23.4 points per game' date=' then we would be undefeated. Our lowest scoring output of the season was 16 points to Jacksonville, but Cincinnati's D would have held the Jags under 10 points. The only game that would be in question would be Atlanta where we scored exactly 17 points.....[/quote']

the problem with this logic is the bengals are averaging 24.4 points per game and giving up 17.6... so how are they not undefeated?

[Keith Moons Liver]

If win % is a QB stat, then Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, and Joe Flacco are better than Brees and Brady. It means that Vick and Cam aren't even Top 20 QBs. Do you see how goddamn ridiculous is?

How do you make the leap from win % being a QB stat to win % being the absolute only thing that matters when evaluating QBs?

[Hotsauce]

We will see who has more superbowls

[TheOracle]

not so sure about that - the Bengals actually are averaging more points per game than we are, we might just have their record instead of being undefeated. ;)

The Panthers have averaged 23 points in their loses, only because the Atlanta game was a 17 point outlier. The Panthers scored 29 and 27 points and still lost.

Teams with an NFL defense don't usually lose games when they score that much. Too bad the Panthers don't have one.