"Talk about that kid in Carolina, but this kid Dalton is pretty good"

[Stew23]

I find it rather amazing, how many people are down playing dalton's role on his team playing well, and winning.

Yes, cincy has a pretty good defense. That alone doesn't win games.

Dalton is playing very well for a rookie qb. He went into a great situation, and is playibng well.

Why can't people accept that?

That's because you are arguing with people who have no idea how to use NFL rankings, and who has a good defense. They get their hands on numbers from NFL.com and have no idea what to do with them. They look at the total yards statistic, get confused, cause they hear the word "total" defense, and think Cincinnati has the best defense.

The reason Cinci's winning is they have a top 10 offense and we don't. Cinci's ranked 6th in efficiency and the main reason they are ranked so high in defense is cause they play bad offenses. We are ranked 22nd even though we have a "high powered" offense. All stats of a defense drop primarily on offensive efficiency and turnovers.

The difference between a positive and negative turnover margin is about 85% chance of winning the game. Most defenses can't even make up for 1 interception per game. But ours is one of the best at doing that tied for 5th in forced fumble recoveries. We have a good defense considering we are ranked 22nd in offense efficiency. People have no idea how to use numbers and rankings. If they would have gone to college they may have, because college football lives and dies by yard per point(and no the one for the defense is pretty much useless)

In the NFL, it's kept a secret so a bunch of guys can make a fortune on idiots in sports betting who bet on "top offenses" and "top defenses".

PS: An offenses inefficiency is tied at the hip with QB stats so we're losing because of Cam. But he is only half to blame. The other is the schedule. The second most important thing.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Dalton has played very well. You can't say he hasn't. But there is no way you could say he has played better than Cam Newton. I don't believe his stats are even in the same ball park as Cam. Also, Dalton has a better all around team that has been together in the same system with same coaches. Also, they have had the easiest schedule I have ever seen. Cam was thrown right into the fire against much MUCH tougher opponents and is putting up mind boggling numbers. And in all honesty if we had any kind of defense, we could easily be 6-2 while beating much tougher teams than the Bengels have. But oh well it doesn't matter. Dalton is good, obviously. Cam is great.

[Guest Irv]

[Guest Irv]

[Grammer]

that looks kinda like a bullet hole... a big one

[Stew23]

Dalton has played very well. You can't say he hasn't. But there is no way you could say he has played better than Cam Newton. I don't believe his stats are even in the same ball park as Cam. Also, Dalton has a better all around team that has been together in the same system with same coaches. Also, they have had the easiest schedule I have ever seen. Cam was thrown right into the fire against much MUCH tougher opponents and is putting up mind boggling numbers. And in all honesty if we had any kind of defense, we could easily be 6-2 while beating much tougher teams than the Bengels have. But oh well it doesn't matter. Dalton is good, obviously. Cam is great.

Of course you can just not with most. By NFL offensive standards which actually lead to winning, absolutely. But yeah Dalton's got the far easier schedule so who know how he would do if he had our schedule but I also have no idea what he would look like with Smith.

But Cam's has a lot of yards but they're primarily due to Smith, not Cam's amazing accuracy with the long ball. One of the worst in the league in pics and average accuracy. Are you really buying that a QB who's a 60% accuracy is more accurate throwing the deep ball than when he throws short? It's Smith. Everyone keeps getting it backwards and its insulting. Smith is carrying Cam most not the other way around. Dude has nearly 1000 yards in 8 games but 4 TD's. LOL. Who's getting his TD's? Think about it.

[beastson]

Of course you can just not with most. By NFL offensive standards which actually lead to winning, absolutely. But yeah Dalton's got the far easier schedule so who know how he would do if he had our schedule but I also have no idea what he would look like with Smith.

But Cam's has a lot of yards but they're primarily due to Smith, not Cam's amazing accuracy with the long ball. One of the worst in the league in pics and average accuracy. Are you really buying that a QB who's a 60% accuracy is more accurate throwing the deep ball than when he throws short? It's Smith. Everyone keeps getting it backwards and its insulting. Smith is carrying Cam most not the other way around. Dude has nearly 1000 yards in 8 games but 4 TD's. LOL. Who's getting his TD's? Think about it.

Is this a sarcastic post ?

Alt account ?

[Marguide]

Of course you can just not with most. By NFL offensive standards which actually lead to winning, absolutely. But yeah Dalton's got the far easier schedule so who know how he would do if he had our schedule but I also have no idea what he would look like with Smith.

But Cam's has a lot of yards but they're primarily due to Smith, not Cam's amazing accuracy with the long ball. One of the worst in the league in pics and average accuracy. Are you really buying that a QB who's a 60% accuracy is more accurate throwing the deep ball than when he throws short? It's Smith. Everyone keeps getting it backwards and its insulting. Smith is carrying Cam most not the other way around. Dude has nearly 1000 yards in 8 games but 4 TD's. LOL. Who's getting his TD's? Think about it.

It doesn't matter if you use poetry or prose, you don't make a damn bit of sense.

[Grammer]

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Are you really buying that a QB who's a 60% accuracy is more accurate throwing the deep ball than when he throws short?

That idea isn't really that crazy:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/21/signature-stats-snapshot-deep-passing/

Edit: fug this is a PFFL alt isn't it. Ignore list time.

[Zod]

I would just like to interject here and say how pathetic I think it is that we have such a promising young team yet every other thread is about Andy Dalton or Andrew Luck.

Fugging Pathetic.

[PantherBrew]

Attitude reflects leadership, moderator.

:)

[The_Mango55]

That's because you are arguing with people who have no idea how to use NFL rankings, and who has a good defense. They get their hands on numbers from NFL.com and have no idea what to do with them. They look at the total yards statistic, get confused, cause they hear the word "total" defense, and think Cincinnati has the best defense.

The reason Cinci's winning is they have a top 10 offense and we don't. Cinci's ranked 6th in efficiency and the main reason they are ranked so high in defense is cause they play bad offenses. We are ranked 22nd even though we have a "high powered" offense. All stats of a defense drop primarily on offensive efficiency and turnovers.

The difference between a positive and negative turnover margin is about 85% chance of winning the game. Most defenses can't even make up for 1 interception per game. But ours is one of the best at doing that tied for 5th in forced fumble recoveries. We have a good defense considering we are ranked 22nd in offense efficiency. People have no idea how to use numbers and rankings. If they would have gone to college they may have, because college football lives and dies by yard per point(and no the one for the defense is pretty much useless)

In the NFL, it's kept a secret so a bunch of guys can make a fortune on idiots in sports betting who bet on "top offenses" and "top defenses".

PS: An offenses inefficiency is tied at the hip with QB stats so we're losing because of Cam. But he is only half to blame. The other is the schedule. The second most important thing.

"efficiency" isn't a great way to judge offense either. Cinci has good defense and special teams, and like you said they play bad offenses, so they get a bunch of short fields. It's much easier to score with short fields.

Wait did you say we had a good defense? Oh wait this is PFFL isn't it.

Why don't they ip ban people around here?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

PFFL's posting is a prime example of how jerking off to numbers and drawing conclusions from it can sometimes obscure reality rather than clarify what's going on.