Mike Mayock Talks Cam Newton

[tiger7_88]

So now, while he is saying that he is very impressed by everything Cam has done (and I'm reading that he's talking as much about the work that he's put in as much as his performance), he wants to see it continue over the long haul.

Well, I guess ol' Cammy Cam better keep his act together and walk the straight and narrow then so that the Mighty Mayock will be truly impressed. :rolleyes:

[tiger7_88]

Mayock never drew a conclusion about what type of QB Cam would be. He only talked about what type of QB Cam could be. And basically that Cam would decide that by how hard he worked for it. In fact, he consistently said that if Cam worked hard, he felt he has all to tools to be a great QB. The only real negative he had about Cam was whether or not he would do what it took once he got paid, never about his ability as a QB.

Bullpoo.

Every chance Mayock got, he made a comparison to Russell. And it was always something like this: "Yeah, Cam may have had a great workout, but the greatest workout I've ever seen was by Jamarcus Russell."

At that point, he never had to say another word... his work was done. Like farting in a fan, his stench was spread far and wide from there.

[tiger7_88]

Nothing direct, but there were red flags. Cheating is a prime example of someone taking a shortcut to achieve their goal, and there's really been no denying that Cam cheated on tests at Florida (not even by Cam himself...in fact, Rivera even alluded to it by saying that Cam realizes he has made some mistakes in the past, but that he has learned from them). So because most accept that Cam did cheat at Florida

:lol:

OK, now that I see you throwing out total bullpoo like the above, we know exactly where you're coming from.

And if you're not standing on the street corner every day from this day forward proclaiming that you don't like to "wrestle" with little boys, then we all know your name is Jerry Sandusky.

[Sword]

All the guys who doubted Cam could play they way he has should only get to say this from now on:

Cam! whoaaaaaa Cam!

[ncmonzta]

I didn't recall Mayock saying he thought Newton would turn into Russell but maybe I missed it.

He did compare Bradford's pro-day to Russells. he did the same for Gabbert. he may have done the same for cam too, not sure. His point there was how pro days don't tell you much about the prospect.

Also, Mayock is not a liar. His last mock had him placing Cam with us, and he had Cam as his #2 QB on his last big board. He even said he thought Cam would be better than Gabbert *if* cam put in the effort, even if Gabbert also did. Aka, he thought Cam could be better.

Everybody who doubted cam from the beginning had to move him up on their board as the draft got closer and it was obvious that he was our pick. I watched him all day claim blaine was the most ready and locker was his second favorite. He never said cam would be better than either of them just that cam would act up once he got paid. :sosp:

[mav1234]

Everybody who doubted cam from the beginning had to move him up on their board as the draft got closer and it was obvious that he was our pick. I watched him all day claim blaine was the most ready and locker was his second favorite. He never said cam would be better than either of them just that cam would act up once he got paid. :sosp:

He did not say that Locker was his second favorite on draft night I didn't think, but he did heap praise on him... He said something like "Cam could be the best QB in this draft if he can put in the effort to get where he needs to be." He obviously still questioned if Cam would, but he was also giving him props, as he did say he was impressed with the strides he'd made etc.

[Woodie]

Bullpoo.

Every chance Mayock got, he made a comparison to Russell. And it was always something like this: "Yeah, Cam may have had a great workout, but the greatest workout I've ever seen was by Jamarcus Russell."

At that point, he never had to say another word... his work was done. Like farting in a fan, his stench was spread far and wide from there.

See, this proves your total lack of objectivity and bias. Mayock never compared Cam's workout to Russell's, he was just making the point that workouts are just a small piece to the bigger puzzle of evaluating players, and that even great workouts don't prove anything.

In other words, he was making a general point warning people about overvaluing workouts, not saying anything about Cam and Russell being similar. Heck, if you had gotten off your high horse long enough to actually listen to the entirety of what Mayocks actually said, you would have learned that he specifically stated he's not comparing the workouts of the two, but just making the point that you can't read too much into a workout in shorts...but then that wouldn't have fit into your agenda now, would it!

Context is your friend!

[Woodie]

:lol:

OK, now that I see you throwing out total bullpoo like the above, we know exactly where you're coming from.

And if you're not standing on the street corner every day from this day forward proclaiming that you don't like to "wrestle" with little boys, then we all know your name is Jerry Sandusky.

You know, this tells me everything I need to know about your character as a person. Supporting a player you like is one thing, but resorting to using the horror of Sandusky to try and be an internet tough guy is pathetic. God I hope you don't have kids...if so, you set a poor example for them to live by.

And I love how you throw out the "bullpoo" comment when you know darn well it is true. By all accounts Cam did cheat, and I have not seen anyone (other than blind fans) deny it. However, that doesn't mean he's a bad person or lazy or anything like that, just that to some people it's a red flag...not a condemnation of any sort. But when you have such a die hard agenda, I guess reason and truth have no place.

Now why don't you go back under your rock looking for perceived slights against Cam while the rest of us stay here enjoying him as a member of the Panthers.

[mav1234]

Every chance Mayock got, he made a comparison to Russell. And it was always something like this: "Yeah, Cam may have had a great workout, but the greatest workout I've ever seen was by Jamarcus Russell."

Let me guess, you missed a couple years back when he said, "Yeah, Sam Bradford may have had a great workout, but the greatest workout I've ever seen was by Jamarcus Russell"?

He gave the same warning for Gabbert... I mean, seriously.

If you want to say he's comparing him to Russell, the workouts are not the place to do it because he wasn't saying "YEAH AND CAMS IS LIKE RUSSELL!" he was saying "Workouts aren't everything," and he said it about just about every top QB prospect since Russell because he realizes now he put too much stock in Russell's workout.

[tiger7_88]

You know, this tells me everything I need to know about your character as a person. Supporting a player you like is one thing, but resorting to using the horror of Sandusky to try and be an internet tough guy is pathetic. God I hope you don't have kids...if so, you set a poor example for them to live by.

Yeah, my college graduate, United States Army officer son was totally ruined. I did such an awful job. :rolleyes:

Oh, and if you don't feel its right to be unfairly slandered, maybe you ought to make your best attempt to refrain from doing the same, young'un. Unlike your example, I taught him that slandering people without proof is WRONG.

And I love how you throw out the "bullpoo" comment when you know darn well it is true. By all accounts Cam did cheat, and I have not seen anyone (other than blind fans) deny it. However, that doesn't mean he's a bad person or lazy or anything like that, just that to some people it's a red flag...not a condemnation of any sort. But when you have such a die hard agenda, I guess reason and truth have no place.

Well, since you are the guy throwing out that "by all accounts" it is true, then you ought to be able to easily come up with those easily verifiable accounts and sources. Right?

[whatever]

See, this proves your total lack of objectivity and bias. Mayock never compared Cam's workout to Russell's, he was just making the point that workouts are just a small piece to the bigger puzzle of evaluating players, and that even great workouts don't prove anything.

In other words, he was making a general point warning people about overvaluing workouts, not saying anything about Cam and Russell being similar. Heck, if you had gotten off your high horse long enough to actually listen to the entirety of what Mayocks actually said, you would have learned that he specifically stated he's not comparing the workouts of the two, but just making the point that you can't read too much into a workout in shorts...but then that wouldn't have fit into your agenda now, would it!

Context is your friend!

Mayock also said that he didn't need to watch Cam's workout because he'd seen 5 of his game films. so, supposedly he's seen 5 game tapes and yet he was the worst about spewing this "one read offense" BS. and he can claim that he had Cam as his 2nd rated Qb but the fact of the matter is that he had 20 players rated higher than Cam Newton in the first round. either Mayock lied about watching all of that game film or he doesn't know how to break down game film. take your pick. either way, his opinions are worthless,imo.

anyone that tries to say that Cam Newton didn't go through his read progressions while running Malzahn's offense is a liar and/or an idiot.

[PantherAZ]

I hate Luck. Not because I feel that he dissed the Panthers in some way, but because I'm preping myself for many future Panthers vs Indy/Miami Super Bowls. Just gotta be ready, right?

[Woodie]

Yeah, my college graduate, United States Army officer son was totally ruined. I did such an awful job. :rolleyes:

Oh, and if you don't feel its right to be unfairly slandered, maybe you ought to make your best attempt to refrain from doing the same, young'un. Unlike your example, I taught him that slandering people without proof is WRONG.

Please, show me one spot where I slandered anyone...or even said anything negative (with the exception of pointing out how disgusting of a human being you are for trying to use the tragic Sandusky issue to show out as an internet tough guy). If you actually paid any attention, I only said what the reports were and that there were no denials, so some people saw that as a red flag. But truth and reality don't have any part in your little bubble, I guess.

Well, since you are the guy throwing out that "by all accounts" it is true, then you ought to be able to easily come up with those easily verifiable accounts and sources. Right?

Didn't Auburn teach you how to read? It was in all the papers and football-related internet sites. Well, let me spell it out for you. Everyone was saying that Cam cheated while at Florida, and I have yet to see one denial by anyone in Cam's inner circle. So in fact there is no denying it, that doesn't mean it's true, just that you can't deny what even the accused has not denied (which he has done regarding other issues). Thus, you must maintain the possibility that there might be some truth to it. And that possibility would logically lead some to see it as a red flag. And if you had paid attention to the post I quoted, I was responding to another poster saying there wasn't anything to lead Mayock to question Cam. So I was simply stating that there were reasons why he had questions about him. But read carefully, I made no statements of guilt, no claims that he actually did anything, heck, I never even said that I agree with the questions, just that they were legitimately there.

Oh, and don't sleep on the fact that kids often make mistakes, but learn and grow from them. If Cam did, in fact, cheat, he obviously learned from it and has become more mature. As I said, cheating can be an indication of lazyness or taking a short cut (which is why it leads to red flags that need to be checked out), but that's not always the case. Sometimes it's simply a stupid mistake. And if you're about to make a multi-million dollar investment in someone who was alleged to have cheated, you want to look into it further in order to see if it actually happened, and if so, was it just a mistake, or an indication of a deeper issue. Fortunately the Panthers had the resources and access to determine that regardless of what actually happened, it's now a non-issue, while analysts like Mayock don't have such resources, so may need to see more proof to be comfortable with the player.

[Woodie]

Mayock also said that he didn't need to watch Cam's workout because he'd seen 5 of his game films. so, supposedly he's seen 5 game tapes and yet he was the worst about spewing this "one read offense" BS. and he can claim that he had Cam as his 2nd rated Qb but the fact of the matter is that he had 20 players rated higher than Cam Newton in the first round. either Mayock lied about watching all of that game film or he doesn't know how to break down game film. take your pick. either way, his opinions are worthless,imo.

anyone that tries to say that Cam Newton didn't go through his read progressions while running Malzahn's offense is a liar and/or an idiot.

The funny thing is that pretty much every analyst was saying the exact same thing about the offense Cam played in...even ex-players/coaches/GM's that you would assume would recognize the offense was more complex than they were saying. So it wasn't just Mayock. And most also had Cam rated as a mid-first round player, but, like Mayock, said he would go much higher because he is a QB. And while he has proven to be much more than anyone thought he would be at this point, there were legitimate reasons for this ranking. Heck, even those that didn't put as much stock in the allegations felt it would take Cam a year or two to adjust to the NFL since he was coming from a spread offense in which he predominantly played out of the shotgun. Not to mention his sloppy footwork and Auburn using him so much as a runner. So very few actually thought he would make much of an immediate impact, and players that are not expected to make an immediate impact rarely get rated higher than mid-first.

And the thing you have to realize about the workout you are highlighting is that it took place very early in the process, and most didn't feel they would glean much from it that they couldn't see on tape. In fact, Mayock has always said it comes down to the tape, not workouts. Anyone can shine in a workout in shorts (hence, the Russell comment), but you can't hide on tape.