Mike Mayock Talks Cam Newton

[rodeo]

I don't even watch college football and I saw enough of Gabbert to tell you that he was garbage. If Mayock really though he was better than Cam I pretty much don't want to hear anymore from him.

[Jackofalltrades]

I don't even watch college football and I saw enough of Gabbert to tell you that he was garbage. If Mayock really though he was better than Cam I pretty much don't want to hear anymore from him.

WTF? That's a pretty ignorant statement, Gabbert was very good and Mayock showed plenty of film to back his opinion.

[fieryprophet]

I wish nothing but the best for Luck and much of the hype is genuine and deserved. He's that good, right now. I don't think for a minute that he shunned us or any other of these other pety, pity me theories.

I was driving the Luck bandwagon and he has everything you look for, but Cam is my man now and he has the things that you can't account for, for the things you can't teach. Cam doesn't have the X factor, he is the X factor.

Mayock, for my money, is the best in the business. His questions about Cam gave always been character related and he still hasn't answered those questions yet but I believe he will.

I don't get the obsession with wanting Luck to fail, but it's pretty stupid. We should be wishing him well because if he did declare for the draft we wouldn't have the phenom we have under center now.

I hope Luck does well, but something that irks me is that the kid does have some very clear flaws that don't get mentioned due to draftniks not wanting to upset some sort of hypewagon:

1.) His arm strength is good, but not elite. This is what Simms was addressing that everyone seemed to think meant that Luck couldn't throw it deep, even though he can. It's not that Luck can't throw deep, it's that he can't throw deep with speed. The ball typically floats.

2.) His offensive line is elite, but he still tends to bail on the pocket even when the pressure isn't there. Everyone remarks about his scrambling and ability to throw on the run, but frankly, we shouldn't see this as often as we do. His pocket presence still needs work.

3.) He doesn't read defenses anywhere near as advertised. I've watched a lot of his footage, and there are a lot of wide open players catching his passes, and a lot of instances where he locks onto his first read. His pick-six against USC was a perfect example of where he locked onto his read and telegraphed the throw with his eyes. People confuse the pro-style scheme he operates as meaning he can diagnoses defenses, when the reality is that he plays terrible defensive teams and the scheme puts his best players into good physical matchups.

Someone needs to upset the Luck apple cart a little bit more, because the kid is being set up to fail. There's no way he's going to be able to immediately produce on Peyton Manning's level, yet everyone is acting like the Colts can just plug him in and return to their previous form, which is utterly ludicrous and just places unnecessary pressure on the kid.

[rodeo]

WTF? That's a pretty ignorant statement, Gabbert was very good and Mayock showed plenty of film to back his opinion.

It's an ignorant statement? I told you he would suck, and he sucks. Seems like thinking otherwise is the ignorantness.

[fieryprophet]

WTF? That's a pretty ignorant statement, Gabbert was very good and Mayock showed plenty of film to back his opinion.

I actually think Gabbert can still turn around and turn into a good QB. Not on Cam's level, of course, but Jacksonville doesn't really have much of an offense for him to work with.

[mav1234]

I actually think Gabbert can still turn around and turn into a good QB. Not on Cam's level, of course, but Jacksonville doesn't really have much of an offense for him to work with.

agreed

Gabbert is not playing THAT poorly for a rookie given the situation he's in etc.

I still think he should have sat this year (Gabbert was actually my favorite QB coming out this year, but I thought he should sit), but oh well.

[PntherPryd]

ignorantness.

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[Kevin Greene]

I wish nothing but the best for Luck and much of the hype is genuine and deserved. He's that good, right now. I don't think for a minute that he shunned us or any other of these other pety, pity me theories.

I was driving the Luck bandwagon and he has everything you look for, but Cam is my man now and he has the things that you can't account for, for the things you can't teach. Cam doesn't have the X factor, he is the X factor.

Mayock, for my money, is the best in the business. His questions about Cam gave always been character related and he still hasn't answered those questions yet but I believe he will.

I don't get the obsession with wanting Luck to fail, but it's pretty stupid. We should be wishing him well because if he did declare for the draft we wouldn't have the phenom we have under center now.

Very well said. :cheers2:

[Kevin Greene]

I don't even watch college football and I saw enough of Gabbert to tell you that he was garbage. If Mayock really though he was better than Cam I pretty much don't want to hear anymore from him.

It's an ignorant statement? I told you he would suck, and he sucks. Seems like thinking otherwise is the ignorantness.

Sadly, for other QBs coming out of college, Cam has set the bar very high. The jury is still out on Gabbert, as so many here gave Everett Browne carte blanche so it is for Gabbert. Same by many for the worthless Armanti Edwards.

Time will tell, patience.

[Marguide]

Two comments on this issue:

1) Mayock still mentions concerns about whether Cam just wants to "stay out" and be an entertainer. Why? Why is this more of a concern with Cam than Gabbert, or Ponder, or even The Golden Calf of Bristol? Explain that to me Mike.

2) Rodeo is dead on; even to a casual fan of college football, Gabbert was not the player Newton was. It was obvious.

The experts weren't sold on Newton as a person, for whatever reason. That is why they talked up people like Gabbert and Locker. It wasn't because of what they had done on the field, or their measurables. They didn't trust Newton's character, but they tried to talk around it by talking about simple offenses, run-first, etc.

[mav1234]

Two comments on this issue:

1) Mayock still mentions concerns about whether Cam just wants to "stay out" and be an entertainer. Why? Why is this more of a concern with Cam than Gabbert, or Ponder, or even The Golden Calf of Bristol? Explain that to me Mike.

probably because he was quoted as saying he wanted to be not just a player but also an entertainer and icon. and no, context doesn't change that to me.

I'm also not worried about it, as long as the way he plans to entertain and be iconic is on the football field. So far, so good :)

[fieryprophet]

probably because he was quoted as saying he wanted to be not just a player but also an entertainer and icon. and no, context doesn't change that to me.

I'm also not worried about it, as long as the way he plans to entertain and be iconic is on the football field. So far, so good :)

Actually, that is exactly the context that Cam was talking about. Peter King even said so. Cam realizes that status is earned on the field, and that's what that statement meant.

[mav1234]

Actually, that is exactly the context that Cam was talking about. Peter King even said so. Cam realizes that status is earned on the field, and that's what that statement meant.

The point is that when a football player says he sees himself as *more* than that, but also an entertainer, some people get worried... and that was the quote, more than a football player.

I'm not worried myself but I understand why others could be.

[Marguide]

I was more focused on the "staying out" part. Cam has never been a big party animal, doesn't spend his nights hanging in the clubs, has no posse, etc.

So why be more suspicious of him in this regard than any other prospect?