Oh Knoes Guyzzz We have to Be Balanced on Offence!!!!!!

[Chaos]

Hmmm, interesting. Look at all the playoff "usual suspects" at the top of these lists. Is there a list for this season to date? Could Carolina be poised to break a record for most drastic improvement in just one season?

[The Saltman]

Season to date I listed greenbay and houston at the top.

[bleys]

Running the ball effectively also burns the clock. This would offset and help out our suspect D. That is why it irritates me we cannot run. Oh and that we have $43M tied up in the 25th rusher in the league behind perennial probowlers like Shonne Greene DeMarco Murray and James Staeks...which also show that 1st rd RBs are ridiculous and pointless.

:idea:

[Chaos]

Season to date I listed greenbay and houston at the top.

Yep, saw that, just wasn't sure where Carolina was on the list, or if a full list was out there.

[beastson]

If James Starks didn't pick up them yards against Philly in the playoffs, they wouldn't have made it

[The Saltman]

Yep, saw that, just wasn't sure where Carolina was on the list, or if a full list was out there.

No list and Im too lazy to do the work ;)

[rayzor]

good thread. balanced offense is overrated.

same with clock control offense.

you win the game by controlling the scoreboard. you hide a suspect defense by putting more points on the board than the other team can keep up with.

ground/clock control may have worked in the past, but the way the league is shaping up recently, you win by putting up a ton of points on the board.

[Jangler]

good thread. balanced offense is overrated.

same with clock control offense.

you win the game by controlling the scoreboard. you hide a suspect defense by putting more points on the board than the other team can keep up with.

ground/clock control may have worked in the past, but the way the league is shaping up recently, you win by putting up a ton of points on the board.

:lol: NO should have saved some of those points they scored on the Colts for the Rams game. :cool:

[Jesse]

If James Starks didn't pick up them yards against Philly in the playoffs, they wouldn't have made it

I love to see any team ground and pound as much as the next guy, but the reason Starks could do that because Rodgers is just too much for a defense to handle.

[Panthro]

good thread. balanced offense is overrated.

same with clock control offense.

you win the game by controlling the scoreboard. you hide a suspect defense by putting more points on the board than the other team can keep up with.

ground/clock control may have worked in the past, but the way the league is shaping up recently, you win by putting up a ton of points on the board.

And a good way to keep a lead is to run the clock down. You put the points on the baord then you have to stop the other team by A) Defense or B) limiting their offensive touches

[bleys]

all that matters is executing and keeping the defense guessing. some teams can stretch the field horizontally just as well as running the ball..

the clock runs just the same...

a run game is still necessary, it makes everyone's just easier...

[The Saltman]

good thread. balanced offense is overrated.

same with clock control offense.

you win the game by controlling the scoreboard. you hide a suspect defense by putting more points on the board than the other team can keep up with.

ground/clock control may have worked in the past, but the way the league is shaping up recently, you win by putting up a ton of points on the board.

Ya but don't forget you win by having the best pass rating differential not just best passing team. You have to have a defense that can get turnovers and can stop the passing attack if you want to win the games.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

for anyone still wanting to run the ball 3 times in a row trying to grind out the clock when you have a lead check this out

A Sunday Drive

After a week that featured some sublimely awful games, Walkthrough would like to celebrate one great drive: a well-played sequence of creative, entertaining, and successful offensive football.

The Panthers had just taken a 23-13 lead late in the third quarter. After forcing a Redskins punt, they got the ball on their own 35-yard line with 1:39 left to play in the third quarter.

In the old days, teams would sit on the ball with a ten-point lead late in the third quarter. Recently, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, and it seems that teams are almost over-aggressive in situations like this: I can picture the Eagles throwing a bomb and kicking a field goal, gaining three points when a team with their defensive problems could probably use a nice seven-minute break instead. The best thing a team can do in this situation is score a touchdown on a time-consuming drive. To do that, the coach or coordinator must call a series of plays that chew clock and keep the chains moving. It is an incredibly tricky balance: throttle down a bit, but not too much.

The Panthers start out with an I-formation DeAngelo Williams run for nine yards. Unfortunately, Byron Bell holds Adam Carriker on the play, setting the Panthers back to first-and-20. A three-yard run by Johnathan Stewart on the next play suggests that Ron Rivera and Rob Chudzinski have gone to the Jason Garrett School of Pass Abandonment and are willing to play punt and pray. Figure 1: Esquire Cross

But Chudzinski has not abandoned the passing game. As shown in Figure 1, he sends Greg Olsen (88) in motion from wide receiver to fullback, with Steve Smith (89) hidden in the flex position, inside of Olsen before the motion. Chudzinski then sends both the flanker on the left of the formation and Jeremy Shockey (80) on deep routes, with Smith running a cross at 15 yards and the backs running bench routes underneath. Smith runs an excellent route, first bending inside like he is running a deep seamer, then flattening out hard to get away from man coverage. Newton has time to throw, and delivers a strike to Smith for 18 yards, setting up an easy to convert third-and-short.

Notice that Josh Wilson was in man coverage against Smith, as he was all afternoon. I cannot explain the rationale behind this decision, because I am not Jim Haslett.

The fourth quarter starts, and the Panthers gain eight yards on a rollout pass to Shockey. The play-action rollout is a standard-issue "safe" pass play when leading in the fourth quarter, and this is a good time to bring it out: on first down, after some offensive success has the defense a little off balance. Williams plows ahead from the two-tight end I formation for a first down.

Now at the 43-yard line, Stewart takes two straight handoffs for three yards each, one from the two-tight end I-formation, one from a power "ace" set that Chudzinski likes, with Olsen, Shockey, and big receiver Legedu Naanee to the left side. On third down, it’s time for another episode of Defensive Coordinators Shocked by Quarterback Draws. Check out the defensive formation in Figure 2. I mean, you are anticipating the Newton draw, right? So why exactly is the middle of the field utterly devoid of linebackers? (On the plus side, Haslett does give Wilson a break from Smith, and the safety on Smith’s side is lined up 22 yards downfield). Newton gains seven yards and a first down, but he might still be running if London Fletcher (59) didn’t chase this play down from the other side of the field. Fletcher should be promoted to Redskins defensive coordinator immediately after the season. On second thought, he deserves better.

Figure 2: Will Allen Likes This Defense

Newton hits Shockey for a little four-yard smash route on the next play. The yardage is not great, but it is another chance to work a pass play in, generate some yardage, and eat clock. Newton throws an ugly play-action incompletion on second down, and a holding penalty threatens to take the Panthers out of field goal range. It is second-and-16, so of course it is time for Josh Wilson to draw man coverage on Smith, and get beat up the left sideline for a pass that gives the Panthers the ball at the goal line. Newton throws a teardrop on the play. This is the second time that a downfield shot has been taken on second-and-long, and I think the Redskins anticipated a more conservative strategy on these downs.

The Panthers have been a great goal line team this year because Chudzinski has been unapologetic about sticking Newton in shotgun with one of the backs and calling either a Newton run or some kind of choice-option handoff. The Redskins are at least ready for these tactics by now, and they stuff Stewart on first down. As Stewart fights for an extra inch, the game clock ticks below ten minutes. Even if the Panthers come away with a field goal at this point, they have significantly shortened the game. They are facing a Redskins opponent that wanted to play ball control football. This long drive has taken ball control tactics and thrown them out the window for the Redskins.

Of course, the Panthers cannot afford to fumble. Stewart does just that on the next play, but Walkthrough favorite Ben Hartsock drops his Christian rock tambourine and lands on it. Rivera challenges the fumble, claiming Stewart reached out with the ball and crossed the plane before losing possession. The announcers criticize the challenge, but I think of it as a challenge lottery at that point in the game. The Panthers should not need a timeout later in the game. The replay does not look plausible, but crazier plays have been called touchdowns. The challenge fails, but the Redskins’ goalline stand has become a mixed blessing, because now there is only 8:17 to play.

On third down, Newton is again in shotgun. And Smith is again one-on-one with Wilson. Are you thinking draw? Handoff option? Fade? If you answered "flat route to Brandon LaFell from the slot," you are correct. It is a simple read and throw for Newton: the Redskins are in man coverage, and it is hard to stop a two-yard pass into the flat. Twelve plays, 65 yards, eight minutes and 26 seconds.

What do I like about this drive? I love the way the weapons were used. Both backs got to grind out some carries. Smith got the bulk of the yards, but Shockey was highly involved, and LaFell did exactly what a slot receiver must do, making the most of one opportunity. Olsen was all over the formation, disguising the Panthers’ intentions. Newton looked very sharp, and his running ability was used in just the right dosage. The Panthers stayed out of third-and-long by being aggressive on second-and-long, so Haslett couldn’t attack with funky blitzes. They overcame penalties. They got a lucky break on the fumble, but these things happen. It was a controlled drive that made outstanding use of both personnel and clock.

Best of all, it showed once again how remarkably Newton is developing. He never strayed from the pocket in this drive, except for the designed run. Part of Newton’s success is how programmed the offense appears to be: Newton does not have to check down a lot. Newton’s comfort level in this low-gimmick offense is also stunning, and credit for that must go to the coordinator who is bringing him along.

from: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2011/walkthrough-nightmare-week

[rico6]

Just no more god damned bombs on 3rd and 2nd is all I ask.