Merril hodge says cam newton a top 5 qb right now.

[King Taharqa]

Fellow Panther fans get used to the PF4Ls and the TRDs of the world trolling this forum as long as Newton is our QB. When you put a QB like Newton out there, this is part of what you get. You get "fans" of the team who wont accept him trying to convince the world he's got us all fooled. Their reluctance to accept him makes them outcast, and these "fans" want "acceptance" and "attention". There were fans like this in the Oilers fanbase when Moon played, there were fans like this in the Eagle fanbase when McNabb played, fans like this in the Falcons fanbase when Vick was there, and now we have our own "trolls". Do not be consumed by their bullshit, and remember that these are people who's pride and self worth is hinged on what QBs like Cam Newton can and cant do. Pay attention to how much they have invested in making sure he doesnt receive too much glory or isnt looked at as an "elite". The more praise he gets the less they feel about themselves because they dont relate to him or what our team is doing right now. Guarantee you when PF4L gets tired of creating alts, when TRD gets tired of creating alts, another fan will step up to take their place to convince us our QB isnt worthy of praise.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Fellow Panther fans get used to the PF4Ls and the TRDs of the world trolling this forum as long as Newton is our QB. When you put a QB like Newton out there, this is part of what you get. You get "fans" of the team who wont accept him trying to convince the world he's got us all fooled. Their reluctance to accept him makes them outcast, and these "fans" want "acceptance" and "attention". There were fans like this in the Oilers fanbase when Moon played, there were fans like this in the Eagle fanbase when McNabb played, fans like this in the Falcons fanbase when Vick was there, and now we have our own "trolls". Do not be consumed by their bullpoo, and remember that these are people who's pride and self worth is hinged on what QBs like Cam Newton can and cant do. Pay attention to how much they have invested in making sure he doesnt receive too much glory or isnt looked at as an "elite". The more praise he gets the less they feel about themselves because they dont relate to him or what our team is doing right now. Guarantee you when PF4L gets tired of creating alts, when TRD gets tired of creating alts, another fan will step up to take their place to convince us our QB isnt worthy of praise.

Yeah, this is sort of a massive waste of time. I'm going to go try to go meet some girl that looks like slutty pocahontas.

[Pantherball]

since Cam has LITERALLY put this team on his back every week....now people think perfectionis what he should be doing if worth a damn to get a win. Retarded logic.

Perfection isn't going to happen....even with a great rookie QB. It rarely happens with HOF caliber QBs. Cam isn't getting help from the O and ST. That is why we are losing. Get improved play from those units and the wins will come.

we potentially have the worst defense AND special teams in the NFL. Cam isn't the reason we are losing. You won't get near perfect games from the QB. Not when asking them to do so much. That is what is required....or meeting just a flat out horrible team.

Perfection? Don't make me laugh. A 60.0 QB rating in the 4th when the game is still winnable isn't even average. It sucks! If he was just average, we would have won. No one's asking for perfection, just average. Just capable.

We also potentially have the worst or next to last(Gabbert might be worse, I haven't checked) 4th quarter comeback QB in the NFL and failing on 1 out of 14 tries to put the game away puts him at a 7% chance of winning those close games. Doing better than 7% is not asking perfection.

If he has to go the entire field he's at 0%. He may be not have been the only one but[ i] offense is absolutely the reason we lost those 6 games in the end. Defense has nothing to do with Cam Newton's and this offense's inability to come away with any points in 13 tries and 6 losses. Any success here would have put the game away or at least give the defense a chance to close it out and screw it up, then it may really deserve the blame it gets. But this is all on offense, not defense. Offense are the ones on the freaking field in that situation and you can't win without the offense getting the winning points in the first place. Because at that point we are: tied or down. IT'S NOT DEFENSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SCORE THE WINNING POINTS IN A TIED OR DOWN 4TH QUARTER GAME. IT'S OFFENSE!

Please stop perpetuating this retarded lie. It's ridiculous. It's logically broken and that's not how NFL football works. Simple and plain: it's retarded.

[VIP]

Perfection? Don't make me laugh. A 60.0 QB rating in the 4th when the game is still winnable isn't even average. It sucks! If he was just average, we would have won. No one's asking for perfection, just average. Just capable.

We also potentially have the worst or next to last(Gabbert might be worse, I haven't checked) 4th quarter comeback QB in the NFL and failing on 1 out of 14 tries to put the game away puts him at a 7% chance of winning those close games. Doing better than 7% is not asking perfection.

If he has to go the entire field he's at 0%. He may be not have been the only one but[ i] offense is absolutely the reason we lost those 6 games in the end. Defense has nothing to do with Cam Newton's and this offense's inability to come away with any points in 13 tries and 6 losses. Any success here would have put the game away or at least give the defense a chance to close it out and screw it up, then it may really deserve the blame it gets. But this is all on offense, not defense. Offense are the ones on the freaking field in that situation and you can't win without the offense getting the winning points in the first place. Because at that point we are: tied or down. IT'S NOT DEFENSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SCORE THE WINNING POINTS IN A TIED OR DOWN 4TH QUARTER GAME. IT'S OFFENSE!

Please stop perpetuating this retarded lie. It's ridiculous. It's logically broken and that's not how NFL football works. Simple and plain: it's retarded.

please tell me you are joking. for your own sake

[X-Clown]

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Ah, much better

[CRA]

Perfection? Don't make me laugh. A 60.0 QB rating in the 4th when the game is still winnable isn't even average. It sucks! If he was just average, we would have won. No one's asking for perfection, just average. Just capable.

We also potentially have the worst or next to last(Gabbert might be worse, I haven't checked) 4th quarter comeback QB in the NFL and failing on 1 out of 14 tries to put the game away puts him at a 7% chance of winning those close games. Doing better than 7% is not asking perfection.

If he has to go the entire field he's at 0%. He may be not have been the only one but[ i] offense is absolutely the reason we lost those 6 games in the end. Defense has nothing to do with Cam Newton's and this offense's inability to come away with any points in 13 tries and 6 losses. Any success here would have put the game away or at least give the defense a chance to close it out and screw it up, then it may really deserve the blame it gets. But this is all on offense, not defense. Offense are the ones on the freaking field in that situation and you can't win without the offense getting the winning points in the first place. Because at that point we are: tied or down. IT'S NOT DEFENSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SCORE THE WINNING POINTS IN A TIED OR DOWN 4TH QUARTER GAME. IT'S OFFENSE!

Please stop perpetuating this retarded lie. It's ridiculous. It's logically broken and that's not how NFL football works. Simple and plain: it's retarded.

you have to look at the rest of the game and what he is doing.....he is literally putting the team on his shoulders putting them in these games. If he didn't have those moments of "not good" play.....then he would practically be putting in HOF caliber QB play.

that is expecting perfection.....if he did and well in those moments you are bashing him on. He would be performing on a level this league as possibly never seen. Retard logic.

I mean, it is reasonable to assume if he succeed in those area you are bashing him on....he would THEN be leading the league in every statistical category.....as a rookie. Unrealstic and retarded.

we aren't winning games......and Cam isn't the reason.

and again, where are your stats from

[Pantherball]

So the drive in the Saints game with 40 seconds left definitely counts, but the drive in the Greenbay game to make it a 3 point game with the possibility of an onside kick and nearly the same amount of time left doesn't count.

You just keep spinning these stats all you want. Just make sure to use the cutoffs to make it as bad as possible.

Cam could play better in some spots, but he has been incredible for a rookie and you really have to look for someone else to play better if you want to win a lot right now. I don't think he is going to become 04 Peyton Manning this year.

Look up QB's comeback winning drive and winning drive definitions before you talk to me anymore. Go look them up. Here I'll make it easy for you: Google.

[Marguide]

Wrong! You are mixing numbers and are using something different than what we were just talking about. You are using his total 4th quarter rating, 89, including garbage time when the game is lost or when we are up. We were talking about comeback wins or game winning drives. His QB rating when tied or down in the 4th quarter and trying to win the game is 60.0 NOT 89.

His Garbage time rating is 102.0 in the 4th quarter. That's when we can no longer win the game if we score. At this point we're losing by 8 or more.

But why is he an 89.6 in the first 3 quarters, 60.0 in a tied or close game in the 4th quarter before the game is out of reach and 102 after the game is lost? What do you attribute that to?

Why out of 14 offensive possession in the 4th quarter he only succeeded 1 time?

So talk about that. Or if you don't want to talk about it at least do yourself a favor and acknowledge it!

My stats come directly from NFL.com. Where you get your 60 number is a bit of a mystery. When we are down by 7 or less, his rating is 89. There is no other way to spin it.

Speaking of clutch, what did you think about that 4th and 14 play yesterday? Sweet, wasn't it?

[CRA]

your logic is like disecting Steve Smith's play....saying he isn't doing enough. Should of gotten open here, there, caught this one and made a play there. Sure he is on pace to break Jerry Rice's record right now.....but he should be on pace to shatter it by 700 yards if he was any good.

Problem isn't Cam. Problem isn't Smitty.

Problem is we potentially have the leagues worst D and ST units.....on the same team.

[CRA]

My stats come directly from NFL.com. Where you get your 60 number is a bit of a mystery. When we are down by 7 or less, his rating is 89. There is no other way to spin it.

Speaking of clutch, what did you think about that 4th and 14 play yesterday? Sweet, wasn't it?

for a rookie with the team on his shoulders every game.....a QB rating in those scenarios of 89 isn't bad.

Only 10 QBs have a better rating than that OVERALL on the season.

it was a sweet play.....but that drive and what Cam did is one you were just pimping as one of the many Cam failed on. Cam didn't fail on that drive. The team did.

[bauss]

1. QB rating

2. Completion %

3. Wining record

4. Yards

5. TD's/Int Ratio

6. Clutch(i.e. 4th quarter, comeback wins, etc)

I'm going to hit on these simply b/c I don't give a poo to read the rest of your post.

1. Doesn't tell the entire story about how well cam has played. QBR isn't factoring in his escape ability or his rushing TD's. Factoring in yards and rushing TD's cam's total QBR jumps to 99.

2. He's over 60%. His receivers at times haven't been that gracious to him in that department either. Either way, you can't argue this statistic when he's over the 60 threshold.

3. Winning percentage isn't a QB stat. This isn't baseball and cam's not a pitcher.

4. He sits currently 2nd in the league in passing yards. I fail to see how you can even argue that. Considering that stat isn't even after you factor in his total yards.

5. This hits on point #1. Dude has 18 total TD's and 9 Ints and 0 int's in the past 2 games.

6. 4th and 14, 4th and 14, 4th and 14. This was a big boy play that cam splooged all over. Gaming winning drive against the jags came in the 4th. Do we even need to mention the second half of the redskins game? Even last week's potential game winning drive was in the 4th on a "comeback" where things outside of this clutch gene I hear about or cam has any control over. Unless cam blocks for himself, refs his own games, and kicks field goals too. If that's the case the panthers are severely under paying this kid. His play already versus what other surrounding QB's are making; it's evident. Cam's base salary this year is $375,000.

This is what makes you stupid. The fact you're already pinning the entire team's success on him in as little as 8 weeks is simple proof this guy is busting nuts on his entrance into the league. It's not cam's game that is contributing to the majority of the losses.

[Marguide]

for a rookie with the team on his shoulders every game.....a QB rating in those scenarios of 89 isn't bad.

Only 10 QBs have a better rating than that OVERALL on the season.

it was a sweet play.....but that drive and what Cam did is one you were just pimping as one of the many Cam failed on. Cam didn't fail on that drive. The team did.

That wasn't me, my friend. I am the one trying to refute the town idiot's numbers.

[CRA]

That wasn't me, my friend. I am the one trying to refute the town idiot's numbers.

lol, my bad Marguide.....my eyes got crossed up reading his garbage.

[Pantherball]

you have to look at the rest of the game and what he is doing.....he is literally putting the team on his shoulders putting them in these games. If he didn't have those moments of "not good" play.....then he would practically be putting in HOF caliber QB play.

that is expecting perfection.....he did and well in those moments you are bashing him on. He would be performing on a level this league as possible never seen. Retard logic.

I mean, it is reasonable to assume if he succeed in those area you are bashing him on....he would THEN be leading the league in every statistical category.....as a rookie. Unrealstic and retarded.

and again, where are your stats from

Yes I do. I get that Cam Newton is good in the first 3. I do look at that. I also notice he crumbles in the 4th. And the numbers are from ESPN but you're not going to find the breakdown I did without paying someone money to get it, or getting some sort of insider service because I took the time and crunched everything game by game. Search for advanced statistics and you may get lucky but most of what you'll find in public domain will be about Brady or Manning. No one's crunched numbers on Cam just yet.

But that alone is not an indication of a HOF QB. That is an indication of a good QB. There are many good QB's but what actually separates good QB's from great QB's are those statistics I mentioned as well as winning close games and getting good at winning your share of comeback wins , which also separates winners from losers.

It's unreasonable to assume that he would be leading the league if he did that because he's not even average in that category. Cam's not that great statistically outside of yardage compared to other QB's right now. He's average. But he's just plain awful in that one so he could simply be average in that department and without having to do the "impossible". Like Dalton for example which beats him in every QB category except rushing and yards. And Dalton's average too.

And btw, I'm not bashing him. I'm just pointing out the numbers. It's not bashing. The numbers are bashing him. He's bashing himself.