Merril hodge says cam newton a top 5 qb right now.

[CRA]

Who is cherry picking a stat? 4th quarter comebacks? You don't think that's important when we have lost 6 out of our 7 games when we were down by 7 or less in the 4th quarter?

How delusional can you get?

That's not cherry picking. That's reality that you don't want to face. This offense has NOT closed games all year. Period. Cam Newton's leadership has gone away in the 4th quarter. His playing level drops when the pressure is on.

Again: R E A L I T Y! Face it.

so Cam should of been playing defense shutting down Drew Brees' last drive? Maybe insert him on ST coverage units.....

Offense is pretty much asked to win EVERY game and playing mistake free (no room for error). Unless your Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (at the top of there careers)....that ain't gonna happen.

[Pantherball]

so Cam should of been playing defense shutting down Drew Brees' last drive? Maybe insert him on ST coverage units.....

Offense is pretty much asked to win EVERY game and playing mistake free (no room for error). Unless your Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (at the top of there careers)....that ain't gonna happen.

Flag: Deflection. 1 post penalty. This is where this comes in:

Cam Newton's 4th quarter rating against the Saints: 63.2

Full stats: 4/15 50 3.33 1TD 0INT 63.2

So how about he just worries about fixing that poo instead of the defense? Not to mention an interception 2nd play of the game which led to 7 points.

Oh and his completion percentage:

26%

How can you win in the 4th quarter and win the game when you have a 26% completion ratio? 1 out of 4 passes. 3.33 yards per attempt?

[CRA]

Flag: Deflection. 1 post penalty. This is where this comes in:

Cam Newton's 4th quarter rating against the Saints prior: 63.2

Full stats: 4/15 50 3.33 1TD 0INT 63.2

So how about he just worries about fixing that poo instead of the defense? Not to mention an interception 2nd play of the game which led to 7 points.

doesn't matter.

Drew Brees mounted comeback game winning drive.....yet you use that as a game that Cam should of done it in the game.

not reality......opportunity was only there for the D to make a simple stop to win the game. You are the one that listed that game as one he should of mounted a comeback.

Cam did his job on the last drive Sunday......team sport. Can't let that gets lost in giving a guy props or bashing him.

[nickzz]

Flag: Deflection. 1 post penalty. This is where this comes in:

Cam Newton's 4th quarter rating against the Saints: 63.2

Full stats: 4/15 50 3.33 1TD 0INT 63.2

So how about he just worries about fixing that poo instead of the defense? Not to mention an interception 2nd play of the game which led to 7 points.

[bigcatdaddy]

Who is cherry picking a stat? 4th quarter comebacks? You don't think that's important when we have lost 6 out of our 7 games when we were down by 7 or less in the 4th quarter?

How delusional can you get?

That's not cherry picking. That's reality that you don't want to face. This offense has NOT closed games all year. Period. Cam Newton's leadership has gone away in the 4th quarter. His playing level drops when the pressure is on.

Again: R E A L I T Y! Face it.

So Cam and the offense outscored GB in the fourth, he lead us back from a deficit against Jax in the second half, he lead us to 9 points in the 4th quarter against the Bears, he played the Saints to a 7-7 tie in the 4th and was leading a drive to win the game when the holding call came that backed us up, and he lead us to 24 second half points against the Skins. A lot of these possible game winning drives get stopped because of some penalty that is not Cam's fault, he is not the one getting called for holding or offensive pass interference. P E R S P E C T I V E! Get it.

[Pantherball]

So Cam and the offense outscored GB in the fourth, he lead us back from a deficit against Jax in the second half, he lead us to 9 points in the 4th quarter against the Bears, he played the Saints to a 7-7 tie in the 4th and was leading a drive to win the game when the holding call came that backed us up, and he lead us to 24 second half points against the Skins. A lot of these possible game winning drives get stopped because of some penalty that is not Cam's fault, he is not the one getting called for holding or offensive pass interference. P E R S P E C T I V E! Get it.

He outscored GB in garbage time when the game was lost, from a 5 point deficit in a 10-5 game in a monsoon on a team who can't score points when we get the ball midfield, and when we're up against the Redskins.

So he did it right twice and did it wrong 6 times. And I'm missing perspective?

An easier way of saying all that nonsense: Cam Newton's failed to score any points on 6 of 7 game winning or comeback drives. His only game winning drive or comeback win this year was against the Jacksonville Jaguars in a monsoon starting at the 45 yard line. This team's record is 1-7 in those situation because of this.

[Pantherball]

doesn't matter.

Drew Brees mounted comeback game winning drive.....yet you use that as a game that Cam should of done it in the game.

not reality......opportunity was only there for the D to make a simple stop to win the game. You are the one that listed that game as one he should of mounted a comeback.

Cam did his job on the last drive Sunday......team sport. Can't let that gets lost in giving a guy props or bashing him.

Lol you just contradicted yourself in the same post. So it matters that Brees played like a winner and did it, but it doesn't matter that Cam plummeted and couldn't do it?

And that TD was a result of a third quarter drive that spilled over in the 4th quarter. There was 12:32 left to play and our offense had 2 more tries. So basically you excuse Cam Newton from not being able to get us a comeback win or or tie(only needed 3 points to tie), but blame the defense for not stopping Drew Brees and the Saints for 12:32 in the 4th quarter.

Which one makes more sense? That I expect my offense to score something in the 4th quarter with 12:32 left to play in a 3 point game, or that you expect defenses to stop Drew Brees and the Saints from scoring any points in the 4th quarter with 12:32 to play?

Which one happens more often in the REAL world? Can I ask you a question: how many NFL teams have prevented the Saints from scoring points in the 4th quarter this year?

[rico6]

Cam with a G-Shock?

Swag off the charts.

[TheOracle]

A rookie QB just passed for 290 yards, 3 TD's and ran for close to 50... And no one's even talking about it. That's just a day at the office for him at this point. Midway through his rookie season.

He is unreal.

They're not talking about it because there was no excuse for them giving the game way on two 14-point fumbles yesterday.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

They're not talking about it because there was no excuse for them giving the game way on two 14-point fumbles yesterday.

Those fumbles got run back for touchdowns? That's a surprise.

[Montsta]

No no no. Cam's not over rated. He's over-hyped. He's creditted with things he simply should not be yet because he has not accomplished them or rating him on choice criteria that makes him look good.

No one here is rating Cam Newton on things that actually matter:

1. QB rating 87.1 - 13th in NFL

2. Completion % 60.6 - 18th in NFL

3. Wining record 2-6 (But anyone that puts all 6 losses on Cam is retarded.)

4. Yards 2,393 - 2nd in NFL

5. TD's/Int Ratio 11-9 (18-9 if you count Rushing Touchdowns)

6. Clutch(i.e. 4th quarter, comeback wins, etc) No "Clutch" stat available, but moving the team downfield to win or tie in the 4th quarter of every game isn't too shabby methinks.

etc.

This is what QB's in the NFL get primarily rated by, rookies and vets alike, and everyone may not agree on the exact order. This is what this entire forum would be talking about if we were winning. As it stands everyone is "rating" Cam Newton based on criteria that makes him look good:

1. Swag 1st in NFL, and it's not even close

2. Yards Again, 2nd in NFL

3. Popularity Cannot be understated, watch the Free Agents that will line up to play here in the years to come

4. QB rushing ability. 3rd in NFL w/ 7 Rushing TD's

5. Size All those arm tackles he breaks on scrambles or avoided sacks? Yeah, kind of a big deal

I'd say all in all, Cam may not be statistically Top 5 in the NFL right now when it comes to Rating or Completion %, but anyone who has watched him for even just a couple of games can see why an argument is being made why he is a top 5 talent already. Overhyped? I'd say not hyped enough.

[Delhommey]

Anyone who's not drinking the Newton Kool Aid by this point is either a Falcon fan or needs to be sterilized.

[nickzz]

poise, confidence, having the best rookie QB season in nfl history

[Riverboat Ron]

Lol you just contradicted yourself in the same post. So it matters that Brees played like a winner and did it, but it doesn't matter that Cam plummeted and couldn't do it?

And that TD was a result of a third quarter drive that spilled over in the 4th quarter. There was 12:32 left to play and our offense had 2 more tries. So basically you excuse Cam Newton from not being able to get us a comeback win or or tie(only needed 3 points to tie), but blame the defense for not stopping Drew Brees and the Saints for 12:32 in the 4th quarter.

Which one makes more sense? That I expect my offense to score something in the 4th quarter with 12:32 left to play in a 3 point game, or that you expect defenses to stop Drew Brees and the Saints from scoring any points in the 4th quarter with 12:32 to play?

Which one happens more often in the REAL world?

I hope you are just trolling, otherwise I'm not sure you understand that football is a team sport. I don't think it's very fair to compare a seasoned vet with above average ability to a rookie with superior ability. You have to take into account differences in the offenses, defenses, and special teams play of each team, not just the numbers of an individual player. Experience is something that takes time to build. Just as Cam will struggle at times as to be expected from a rookie, the defense will struggle with youth and depth in making mistakes. All it takes is for one person to be out of place to give up a 3rd down keeping them on the field for a fresh set of downs.

Patience is what lacks around these forums. Hasn't anyone ever heard of good things come to those who wait? :crazy: