Merril hodge says cam newton a top 5 qb right now.

[mav1234]

Why is it Cam's fault for not always scoring points on drives to win us the game etc, but it's not the defenses fault for giving up leads that would win us the game?

[VIP]

Of course not. Is that defense's fault? It's ST and honestly, we already know whose fault that was as far as decision. He admitted to it. Rivera said it was on him.

Do you guys notice how I don't have a problem with giving Cam credit earned? What's earned is earned. He deserves all the credit in the world, for what he actually accomplishes. He also deserves all the blame in the world for what's directly on him.

BE FAIR!

[Pantherball]

Haha, no last year our offense sucked. We have a fun exciting offense to watch this year. You sir are a complete moron/idiot.:thumbsup::D

Our offense still sucks, just in a different way. Comparing our offense to the worst offense in the NFL says nothing about the offense.

We're 14th in points scored. That's average. But it's without context. When you are 5th in yards gained, that SUCKS!

[chef17]

Yes but again, it's without taking context into consideration.

1 Superbowl in 11 years is good for anyone, except teams that have played 17 playoff games and have a losing playoff record.

I have the number 5 offense in the league in yards per game....yeah, how many points per game do they have?

Considering I am referring to a future example I don't know what context that would be. We could have 11 winning seasons and make it to the Superbowl every year and only win one. That wouldn't give us a losing playoff record. You are trying to argue a point that I never made.

[bigcatdaddy]

Of course not. Is that defense's fault? It's ST and honestly, we already know whose fault that was as far as decision. He admitted to it. Rivera said it was on him.

Do you guys notice how I don't have a problem with giving Cam credit earned? What's earned is earned. He deserves all the credit in the world, for what he actually accomplishes. He also deserves all the blame in the world for what's directly on him.BE FAIR!

I don't think anybody on here or Cam himself wouldn't say he deserves the blame for the mistakes he made. I hold him accountable for the mistakes against Atlanta hell he probably single handedly gave that game away but you want to blame him for every loss even when he plays a near perfect game but we don't get the win.

[teeray]

So does our offense and everyone is missing this except me. Our offense SUCKS. It cannot score the points in the 4th quarter to win the close game even though it gets a lot of yards and far too many tries. There I said it. That sucks. Badly.

It can't do better than 1 out of 14 tries to win a game and that's ONLY thanks to our ST and DEFENSE getting them half field position and closing out the game for them. They can't close out a 4th quarter game. That SUCKS. They have a 7% efficiency in game winning drives when tied or down by less than a score...and we needed to do this 7 times. That SUCKS.

Begin to realize this, and we will be one step closer to agreeing.

Our offense sucks so bad :rolleyes:. But out of the 15 teams that are putting up 23 points or more a game only two have losing records. The Eagles and Panthers.

[bigcatdaddy]

Our offense still sucks, just in a different way. Comparing our offense to the worst offense in the NFL says nothing about the offense.

We're 14th in points scored. That's average. But it's without context. When you are 5th in yards gained, that SUCKS!

Or it means the defense is not stopping the opponent so we are always working with a long field. Or we could be like the Steelers who are 19th in points scored and 9th in yards but they are 6-2 because their defense is ranked 3rd.

[teeray]

Our offense still sucks, just in a different way. Comparing our offense to the worst offense in the NFL says nothing about the offense.

We're 14th in points scored. That's average. But it's without context. When you are 5th in yards gained, that SUCKS!

You are right. Without context it is deceiving. When the defense cannot get three and outs, create turnovers, or keep teams from scoring your offense is constantly starting drives from the 20 yard line or worse.

Therefore, it is going to take more yardage to put up the type of points that we are.

That should provide better context.

I'm just guessing here but I bet thru 8 games we have had starting field position past the 30 yard line maybe 6 or 7 times.

[klumme]

Against the Bears we had a pick 6. The other team scored 6 points directly against our offense, not defense. We lost the game by 5.

By using that stupid logic you could also make a case saying that the ST mistake or those on D cost us a TD and we lost the game by 5 thus the D or ST cost us the game not Cam....

How do you rank those mistakes since Cams mistakes seems to be the only reasons we lose games?

[mav1234]

My only point is that our losses have been team losses, no single player responsible, and it's always been more than one unit and typically all three that play some role, but I tend to think that defense and special teams have really been killer this year. On the same end, our wins have been team wins - where at least two of our units played well or at least well enough ;)

Our offense is pretty middle of the road as far as turnovers 'given' go, but our defense has generated some of the fewest takeaways in the league.

This team would likely have a winning record with even an average defense.

We're 14th in points scored. That's average. But it's without context. When you are 5th in yards gained, that SUCKS!

Without context, you lose the fact that our field position is god awful...

Do you know why we lead the league in TD drives of like 80 or more yards? (We are tied with GB, but still)

It's not because Cam can't get it done...

[mav1234]

We're 14th in points scored. That's average. But it's without context. When you are 5th in yards gained, that SUCKS!

Without context, you lose the fact that our field position is god awful.

Do you know why we lead the league in TD drives of like 80 or more yards?

It's not because Cam can't get it done...

[Pantherball]

Our offense sucks so bad :rolleyes:. But out of the 15 teams that are putting up 23 points or more a game only two have losing records. The Eagles and Panthers.

And that says absolutely NOTHING about whose fault it is.

[rayzor]

tried offering friendly advice. the guy is obviously obsessed with winning on the internet...or he's a troll...or he is indeed pffl. or all three.

at any rate...

This message is hidden because Pantherball is on your ignore list.

keep on feeding him if you want, but please cut down on the quotes.

/public service message.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I'm just saying, you feel a lot better about your day if you don't waste time arguing with a maniac. It's good stuff.