Merril hodge says cam newton a top 5 qb right now.

[The_Mango55]

Certainly. I agree. And what happens earlier usually is what results in the difference between being down, tied or up in the 4th quarter, which is the quarter in which regulation time ends the football game if a team is up in points.

Unfortunately when you are tied or down in the 4th quarter the only way to win those games is by scoring or else we go to O.T.

We were in a position to tie or win the game in 7 of 8 of our games, and we only did it once. Our offense had 14 offensive possessions in these 7 games and we were able to do it one time, against Jacksonville, thanks to our defense getting us the ball at nearly midfield, which made it easier on our offense.

So to me, it leads me to ask the question: why can't our offense score points on more than 1 out of 14, 4th quarter comeback drives? It cost us 6 games, and it's a pretty big deal, so why can't our offense do this?

Thank you in advance for your kind explanation;)

Pass drops, long fields, penalties, sometimes spotty playcalling, good defensive plays by the opponent, bad special teams, refs screwing us, and some poor rushing and passing.

I know you only want to focus on the very last point but it's not the whole story. It's not 1/10 as big of a deal as you seem to think it is. The fact that we've been behind in the 4th quarter of almost every game is concerning for the defense though.

[panthers55]

Don't feed the troll. He has sucked you in again with his crap. He doesn't have anywhere to go or nothing to say if you simple ignore his garbage. He needs people to argue with, he can't do it by himself. Anyone who has had to deal with 300 and 400 post threads by PFFL knows this will go on forever and nothing will change. This is like the movie, War games, the only way to win is to not play the game people. Now you are discussing 4th quarter comebacks as if it is Newton's problem to begin with. Lets be real here just don't respond and the thread dies today. keep arguing and it goes on forever .......................

[King Taharqa]

Since the mods wont ban the trolls, you guys need to ignore them. Just remember you're arguing with someone who looks like this...

[panthers55]

Pantherball's argument:

Guys, I have done

extensive research

using

advanced statistics

and have discovered that every time the offense has

failed to succeed

in a game winning drive, newton is totally responsible for the fact that the offense has failed to succeed in a game winning drive. Deny it all you want, it won't change the

facts

.

fixed it for you.. Now stop feeding the troll!!!!

[big_syke18]

cam has been great as a rookie this year without good preperation. to me cam could have came back in the az,bears(penalty) and packers game to win the game. so those are his fault but i cant put this game on him. he got them down to the 4 yard line and a penalty was called. also olsen had a touchdown but dropped it, then mare came.

i think cam is going to be clutch.... in all those games hes had them in the redzone ready to take the lead. bad plays(excution) and stupid penalties have stop the drives. he looks to be improving every game bit by bit to me.

why did they keep calling qb sneak to convert in the 3rd qrt................another example of bad play calling. granted the first one he could of had if he would have kept straight ahead. but the defense is looking for him to run so fake'em out in those short situations.

he did miss a couple of throws, mainly the one with steve smith on the 49 yard toucdown attempt. he threw to the inside instead of the outside, which would have been a touchdown.

also i dont think the fumbles are on him. he was about to throw when they hit his hand both times. he actaully was moving around in the pocket trying to avoid the first one. he took a big hit from brian orakpo from his blind side but didnt fumble because wasnt about to throw.

[Pantherball]

Pantherball's argument:

Guys, I have done

extensive research

using

advanced statistics

and have discovered that everytime Cam has

failed to succeed

in a game winning drive, he has, in fact, failed to succeed in a game winning drive. Deny it all you want, it won't change the

facts

.

Translation:

We have been so blinded by our juice that we couldn't even accept this obvious issue, and have ran out of scape goats, players, and ways to tie it to the defense now. So thank you Pantherball for taking the time and pulling on the elephant's trump even if sometimes it took beating us over the head with it and cornering us in such a way that we could no longer deny it because some of us can finally accept this fact and mention it. Are there any more you can -"gently"- help us accept, because we don't know how to deal with this at the moment and we can't actually have a serious discussion about our football team without pointing out the obvious, and we really don't want to do that because we love Newton so much, we're incapable of doing this at the moment. But we really honestly do appreciate it, we will just continue to troll you because we hate anyone that's the bear of bad news. And now we're going to turn around and pretend that we weren't arguing against this for the past 3 days."

Signed,

Most of us.

[The_Mango55]

we hate anyone that's the bear of bad news

[mav1234]

Well mav and a couple of others apparently do.

They believe that me asking or expecting Cam to do better in his 28th ranked interception category, 24th ranked sack category, 60.0 comeback winning or winning drive QB rating in our 6 losses, 47% completion percentage, only 7% efficiency in our comeback winning or winning drives(1 out of 14) means that I am asking for perfection.

To me asking or expecting a QB such as Cam to be better than nearly last or absolutely atrocious, which is what those are, seems like a pretty reasonable request. To them, somehow this = asking for perfection.

wow way to misrepresent what I said.

I've said he's played incredibly well for a rookie and if we want wins, we're better off right now with getting defense/special teams shored up than hoping our rookie-playing-great turns into an (even more) elite QB half way through the season because he's already playing pretty darn well and all things considered (like field position) our offense is putting up decent points in most games.

Not sayng he can't be elite or GOAT or whatever stupid poo people want to say, I'm saying he needs some help from our other units this season if we want to win consistently, because asking our offense to do it alone is ridiculous. And yes, putting up 30+ points while the other team matches you score for score is asking our offense to do it alone.

Also, I seem to recall you saying that Cam either has to have no turnovers every game OR has to put up 30+ points every game for us to win... Then just said "all he has to do is play like he did against Washington every week!"... Maybe it isn't perfection to ask that a rookie quarterback have 0 turnovers every week or if he throws an INT put up 30 points, but that's pretty freaking close considering the offenses that are averaging those numbers. I'm just asking him to keep improving, while we fix the gigantic motherfuging holes the rest of the team has... Our offense is not our problem. It is not perfect, but it's not losing us games... whereas defense and special teams more certainly are.

[edromeo]

Panterball-

Why must you present your stats in such a spurious wrapping?

Newton '28th' in interceptions is ahead of

Brees 31st

Freeman 32nd

Rivers 33rd

Brady 24th

Why not just be straight forward and list the number of INTs?

[mav1234]

Panterball-

Why must you present your stats in such a spurious wrapping?

Newton '28th' in interceptions is ahead of

Brees 31st

Freeman 32nd

Rivers 33rd

Brady 24th

Why not just be straight forward and list the number of INTs?

the funny thing is, Cam has played more games than a lot of those guys... and with as few games as there have been this year, if you're talking about 1 or 2 interceptions difference, that makes a huge difference.

Brady, for instance, has 8 ints. Cam has 9. But Brady's played in one less game. Freeman has 10 ints, only one more than Cam... but that's in one less game. Rivers has 11, Brees has 10 (Rivers in 7 games I think, but may be wrong here). IMO, Cam's doing pretty well given the amount they're having him throw etc.

The reality is you have to look at a lot of factors, and not just go by the numbers. For the amount Cam is throwing, 9 interceptions is not abnormally high. I'd even argue that for the amount he's throwing as a rookie, that's a pretty low number.

[Pantherball]

Panterball-

Why must you present your stats in such a spurious wrapping?

Newton '28th' in interceptions is ahead of

Brees 31st

Freeman 32nd

Rivers 33rd

Brady 24th

Why not just be straight forward and list the number of INTs?

Didn't you just tell me not to compare him to vets?

Anyway the reason I did what I did, is because I am not comparing one statistical category to another outside of Cam Newton's overall playing. I'm combining a few of them together which paints a profile. A profile which explains why we can't win our close games.

A QB who is ranked 28th in interceptions, 24th in sacks allowed, is putting himself in a position to play from behind due to his own turnover ratios and considering he has a 60.0 QB rating in 4th quarter comeback wins or game winning drives, and a sub par completion percentage in this situation, it contributed to him failing to capitalize on more than 1 out of 14 successful game winning or comeback winning drives and end them in scoring the winning points. All of this led him to being in a situation of being in 7 games down by a score or less in the 4th quarter but only winning one of them. His sacks allowed, as well as holding on to the ball longer is beginning to pain a broader picture of why this team is leading the league in holding penalties and it's becoming apparent it has a lot to do with his playing "style" because that is what it is now.

When you look at the whole package together, what it tells me is Cam Newton's not taking care of the basics, even though he's excelling in a few statistical categories, but without fixing all of the above, which doesn't mean being perfect-simply improving to average may just even cut it-I don't think he will be able to win games consistently. Especially when he's putting himself in a position to play in close games from behind which has shown to pressure him into making too many mistakes and drop as a passing QB even though those situations require accurate and efficient passing to overcome.

[The_Mango55]

When you add all those things together it still amounts to a very tiny slice of what it takes to be a good quarterback.

Like I said before, Aaron Rodgers is terrible at comeback victories, and they can still get it done.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

i believe the technical term is "grasping for straws"

[rico6]

Wow you guys are so easy to troll.