Merril hodge says cam newton a top 5 qb right now.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

pantherball just mad cuz when he looks at cam he sees True Swag and realizes he ain't got none

[Pantherball]

Those stats mean nothing, they are incredibly nitpicky and ignore everything good he's done.

Cam having room to grow doesn't mean he's the problem with the team. In fact he and Steve Smith are the stars of the team this year by a wide margin.

The D is ranked nearly last in all statistical categories and in advanced metrics, that's not cam's fault no matter how much you try to pin it on him. Other teams have as many turnovers as Cam but don't have defenses that let them down so much.

Those stats mean nothing Mango? I tell you what and this goes to you, razor, and anyone else: Are you willing to bet on that? Are you willing to be that if I just pick one of those categories it makes it impossible for an NFL team to have a winning record?

I'm just going to pick one: comeback winning/game winning drive efficiency of 7%.

Find me a QB, offense or team that had a stretch of 8 games where they entered the 4th quarter tied or down by less than a score and its offense only scored points on 7% or less of all of their 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive totals in those 8 games and still posted a winning record in that 8 game stretch.

Any team, any offense, any QB with any defense. Just find me that team that accomplished this feat.

[The_Mango55]

Those stats mean nothing Mango? I tell you what and this goes to you, razor, and anyone else: Are you willing to bet on that? Are you willing to be that if I just pick one of those categories it makes it impossible for an NFL team to have a winning record?

I'm just going to pick one: comeback winning/game winning drive efficiency of 7%.

Find me a QB, offense or team that had a stretch of 8 games where they entered the 4th quarter tied or down by less than a score and its offense only scored points on 7% or less of all of their 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive totals in those 8 games and still posted a winning record in that 8 game stretch.

Any team, any offense, any QB with any defense. Just find me that team that accomplished this feat.

Meaningless

How about this, I can point to an 8 game stretch by the green bay packers where they did not have one comeback/game winning drive, and they went undefeated. Impossible to win my ass.

[Pantherball]

Meaningless

How about this, I can point to an 8 game stretch by the green bay packers where they did not have one comeback/game winning drive, and they went undefeated. Impossible to win my ass.

Delusional. And refusing to address the question.

Or are you simply admitting to me in your own way that what you want is to never have to have our offense in a tied or down by one score situation in the 4th quarter because the offense can't get it done?

Are you FINALLY admitting this to yourself? That you have come to the conclusion that this offense has not been able to win a game where we are either tied or down by one score in the 4th quarter?

Has at least this very simple truth FINALLY clicked?

[The_Mango55]

You want me to tell you something about the Packers that will blow your mind?

They did not have a single come from behind (or tied) in the 4th quarter win in the 2010-11 season. Not one. That includes regular and post season.

They lost 5 games last year, all of them were close, and some of them they were winning in the 4th and blew it. They had 2 overtime games and lost both of them.

So for you to say that a QB's ability to come from behind is the most important attribute is total garbage.

[teeray]

You want me to tell you something about the Packers that will blow your mind?

They did not have a single come from behind (or tied) in the 4th quarter win in the 2010-11 season. Not one. That includes regular and post season.

They lost 5 games last year, all of them were close, and some of them they were winning in the 4th and blew it. They had 2 overtime games and lost both of them.

So for you to say that a QB's ability to come from behind is the most important attribute is total garbage.

lol. pwning pantherball is so easy to do.

[Pantherball]

You want me to tell you something about the Packers that will blow your mind?

They did not have a single come from behind (or tied) in the 4th quarter win in the 2010-11 season. Not one. That includes regular and post season.

They lost 5 games last year, all of them were close, and some of them they were winning in the 4th and blew it. They had 2 overtime games and lost both of them.

So for you to say that a QB's ability to come from behind is the most important attribute is total garbage.

LOL. You keep dodging. I'm not talking about the Green Bay Packers. I'm talking about the Carolina Panthers.

So at least from the moment we have entered the 4th quarter in 7 of our 8 games this year, we can agree....that scoring points is the only way to win the game, right?

PS: Waiting for the guy to go...but the Saints....

[YoungPanthers89]

lol at people still trying to tear him down

[CRA]

LOL. You keep dodging. I'm not talking about the Green Bay Packers. I'm talking about the Carolina Panthers.

So at least from the moment we have entered the 4th quarter in 7 of our 8 games this year, we can agree....that scoring points is the only way to win the game, right?

PS: Waiting for the guy to go...but the Saints....

you know why NFL coaches and players weren't pissed off at Mare?

b/c they have a large enough IQ to realize what goes on in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters matters just as much as what happens in the 4th. Games aren't won just in the 4th Q......that is just what people like to focus on.

[Camdemonium]

Try to pretend like the dudes in the locker room weren't pissed at Mare?

[MaineManPanther]

Well mav and a couple of others apparently do.

They believe that me asking or expecting Cam to do better in his 28th ranked interception category, 24th ranked sack category, 60.0 comeback winning or winning drive QB rating in our 6 losses, 47% completion percentage, only 7% efficiency in our comeback winning or winning drives(1 out of 14) means that I am asking for perfection.

To me asking or expecting a QB such as Cam to be better than nearly last or absolutely atrocious, which is what those are, seems like a pretty reasonable request. To them, somehow this = asking for perfection.

How is the sack ranking on him? Per PFF he is only responsible for four of those sacks. Only one of which that has occurred in the last six games.

As for turnovers one was a garbage time up for grabs throw, along with one tipped by the Wr. This brings him to nineteenth, but regardless numerous rookies have high turnovers. This isn't anything to be concerned about.

He has proven in the Arz, Jax , and Min games that he is capable of taking the pressure and drive the team downfield for a position to tie/ win.

He and the offence failed to finish in Arz and others. But the ability to do it was displayed.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

he's evaded about 12 sacks in the first 8 games, and made completions or first downs on almost all of them.

and that's not counting the break downs where he has evaded multiple sacks

[Pantherball]

you know why NFL coaches and players weren't pissed off at Mare?

b/c they have a large enough IQ to realize what goes on in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters matters just as much as what happens in the 4th. Games aren't won just in the 4th Q......that is just what people like to focus on.

Certainly. I agree. And what happens earlier usually is what results in the difference between being down, tied or up in the 4th quarter, which is the quarter in which regulation time ends the football game if a team is up in points.

Unfortunately when you are tied or down in the 4th quarter the only way to win those games is by scoring or else we go to O.T.

We were in a position to tie or win the game in 7 of 8 of our games, and we only did it once. Our offense had 14 offensive possessions in these 7 games and we were able to do it one time, against Jacksonville, thanks to our defense getting us the ball at nearly midfield, which made it easier on our offense.

So to me, it leads me to ask the question: why can't our offense score points on more than 1 out of 14, 4th quarter comeback drives? It cost us 6 games, and it's a pretty big deal, so why can't our offense do this?

Thank you in advance for your kind explanation;)

[Marguide]

Pantherball's argument:

Guys, I have done

extensive research

using

advanced statistics

and have discovered that everytime Cam has

failed to succeed

in a game winning drive, he has, in fact, failed to succeed in a game winning drive. Deny it all you want, it won't change the

facts

.