Just tell the truth about Jake...you don't love him

[frash.exe]

You know what's funny?

We all snarl at the thought of a "franchise" QB.

let's be real, he's by far not the most talented player on the team, but Jake is the franchise QB. He's the guy the whole organization will put their cards on the table with. He's the "unquestioned" starter. He's started every single game he could barring injury. He's never been benched and he "elevates" his teammates around him. He's infallible in the eyes of many. He's the mouthpiece of the entire locker room.

He's the Panthers' franchise QB.

[Mr. Scot]

First of all Jake is not a gun slinger, please stop saying that. He needs a gun to be a gun slinger. Just because he throws hanging floaters that Smith can some times come down with does not make him a gun slinger.

As far as the best option, again Cutler is the best option. Its not every year a franchise QB becomes available. We are making such a huge mistake not showing any interest in him.

Fact is , a team wins championships but the QB is thr most important position on the field. The QB is our leader, and until the Panthers except the QB franchise model Im affraid we will just remain a really good team unable to win the big one. I dont hate Jake , he is just a slighty better then average QB.

Leaving behind the debate over whether Cutler is actually someone we'd want...

Cutler...is...not..an option :nonod:

I'd add that if he's traded elsewhere (which is far from definite at this point) it's going to be for a lot more than just one player (Peppers for Cutler isn't happening) and for a lot more than anyone sane in Panthers management would willingly give up.

[rayzor]

Another question that needs to be answered....and be sure that I am not trying to be argumentative. I truly want to know. What makes a franchise QB?

Multiple years with the team?

Long term commitment with the team?

Started out with the team?

Drafted with the team?

Drafted in round one?

Playoff appearances?

Playoff wins?

Superbowl appearances/wins?

Is it a combination of things? What is it? Don't give examples. Tell what criteria is used to decide that they are a franchise QB.

[rayzor]

You know what's funny?

We all snarl at the thought of a "franchise" QB.

let's be real, he's by far not the most talented player on the team, but Jake is the franchise QB. He's the guy the whole organization will put their cards on the table with. He's the "unquestioned" starter. He's started every single game he could barring injury. He's never been benched and he "elevates" his teammates around him. He's infallible in the eyes of many. He's the mouthpiece of the entire locker room.

He's the Panthers' franchise QB.

That is what makes sense to me. Since it has been mentioned that we don't follow the "franchise QB model" I would like to know what the franchise QB model is.

[Mr. Scot]

I define "Franchise QB" as one around whom the offense is built and/or around whom the offense primarily revolves.

With John Fox in charge, you're never going to see that in Carolina.

[thefuzz]

I love Jakes intangibles, love them. I love his fire, and intensity, and the way he makes the other players play better.

Honestly I don't have huge problems with Jake, and 3=4 years ago I would have said that he was my favorite player on the team.....he still may be, but I doubt it.

I respect him as a player,and a Panther, but would like to see a little more consistency in his play, that is all.

[PanthersFanNY]

I don't think he is an $11 million quarterback, but I also don't think there are any realistic better options at this point in time.

[thefuzz]

He does have a gun, sorry dude. Not the strongest in the league, but he can throw the deep ball and make threaded passes. He lead the league in Aypa last season, being his throws went farther then any other qb's throws did on average threw the air last season. On top of that it's known that he has above average arm strength, it's also known that he is considered a gunslinger.

Umm, I could be wrong, but I think that Rivers led that category last season.

[frash.exe]

Another question that needs to be answered....and be sure that I am not trying to be argumentative. I truly want to know. What makes a franchise QB?

Multiple years with the team?

Long term commitment with the team?

Started out with the team?

Drafted with the team?

Drafted in round one?

Playoff appearances?

Playoff wins?

Superbowl appearances/wins?

Is it a combination of things? What is it? Don't give examples. Tell what criteria is used to decide that they are a franchise QB.

It doesn't require all criteria, I can tell you that much. Most major sports media outlets around draft time automatically label the 2 most talented QBs in the draft the "franchise QB" for the team that drafted them, because they're excited and they cream their pants about it every year more than anything.

Jake Delhomme's been the starter for about 6 years. Whenever he's been healthy he's been under center, he's one of the top 5 paid players on the team. He's had previous success (which isn't everybody's question. the question is about his future successes), and the Panthers have an undying commitment toward him. Whether or not the offense is built around him he inspires his players and drives them down the field for that sole touchdown on his stat sheet that wins the game in the end. Even if the offense is not built around him Fox gives him the ball and leaves him up to driving the offense down the field. He is basically the team leader as well.

We are committed to Delhomme. He may be one of the only average QBs that is considered a "Franchise" QB.

[carpanfan96]

Umm, I could be wrong, but I think that Rivers led that category last season.

Pennington was first in Adjusted air yards per attempt, rivers was second, Ryan third and Delhomme was fourth.

In regular AYPA Delhomme was the leader. Ryan was second, Rivers was third and Rodgers was fourth.

Link

Only one QB who started the majority of games had a less percentage in YAC yards from his receivers last year then Delhomme and that was Eli Manning.

39% and 38% respectively.

[bigdog_10_2002]

i'm just tired of mediocre QB play. I don't really have a problem with Jake the team member...just his abilities as the Panther's QB

[rayzor]

I define "Franchise QB" as one around whom the offense is built and/or around whom the offense primarily revolves.

With John Fox in charge, you're never going to see that in Carolina.

If that is the case, is it necessary?

What QBs/teams have that, then and how has that worked out for them.

I'm really trying to understand that.

brady and peyton are givens. i can understand that one.

saints/brees? i can see that but so far it hasn't done well for them.

cards/warner? i don't see any long term commitment to him or any QB. it is QB/WR centered but more by default than anything. until the playoffs this past year it hadn't worked for them either.

chargers/rivers? until this past year it was built around LDT. I can see it shifting towards rivers centered somewhat.

giants/eli? doesn't seem to fit. i don't see that offense as having any clear focus. this past year was built more on the running game. the defense the past two years for them has been more credited with their success than their offense (which got lucky in the superbowl).

steelers/big ben? much like the giants...hard to see any clear focus. more geared towards a running game. offense is largely just clumsy but capable of putting together a couple (miracle) TDs. Defense is what has been responsible for their success.

seriously...i don't see what the draw is if that is the case.

if we had an offense built around our QB, would that ensure wins or superbowl wins anymore than having a stout defense and one of the best running games in the league?

[carpanfan96]

i'm just tired of mediocre QB play. I don't really have a problem with Jake the team member...just his abilities as the Panther's QB

Last year he was the fourth best QB going by the Adjusted AYPA standard.... Doesn't seem too mediocre to me.

[mantal]

Last year he was the fourth best QB going by the Adjusted AYPA standard.... Doesn't seem too mediocre to me.

But remember, we're looking at him with "last game played" goggles on...