Just tell the truth about Jake...you don't love him

[carpanfan96]

If you had to decide...what are the 3 worst things that he does as a QB? (and he just sucks isn't a good enough answer....tell why he sucks.)

I hear ball security, too many INTs, locks in too much to one WR, too many fumbles, sacked too many times, too much of a turnover risk...so what are the worst of them?

What is it about him that is so horrible and will keep us from getting a Lombardi?

you can take fumbles off the list, he only has 4 fumbles and 2 lost since 2005 season. That's counting 05 so in 48 games he has fumbled the ball 4 times. His numbers for Percentage to SS are in line with the average percentage for number one wr's. So you can take locks on off. He only got sacked 22 times last season, the first time in a while he's had a good oline in front of him. You can take gets sacked off the list.

The only knock you can have on Delhomme is he's a gunslinger and he does force some throws, but you can say that about all gunslinger's and most qb's.

[bigmanstew]

If you had to decide...what are the 3 worst things that he does as a QB? (and he just sucks isn't a good enough answer....tell why he sucks.)

I hear ball security, too many INTs, locks in too much to one WR, too many fumbles, sacked too many times, too much of a turnover risk...so what are the worst of them?

What is it about him that is so horrible and will keep us from getting a Lombardi?

As others have said he's a gunslinger. He takes too many chances and might not have the arm to do so.

Even in his first season as starter there were plenty of throws he made that were questionable, the only difference is that they were completed.

I don't see a better alternative at this point and I just hate imploded in the playoffs vs. the Cardinals. We beat them 9 out of 10 times. But we played that one game.

[Fireball77]

I actually am not sure they would have beat the Cards even without Jake having the crummy day to end all crummy days. Anyone notice how the D hadn't stopped too many people the last half of the year and certainly wasn't stopping AZ that night besides the time they were put in holes, of course.

Most people who take the time to think things through see Jake as a 4,5, or 6 QB when using a scale of 1-10. Meaning somewhere between below average and above average. Put me in the group that thinks of him above average because I am looking at everything he has done with Panthers from 2003-today equally. Those who dislike him are weighing the bad games twice as much as the good ones which makes little sense to me.

Well said Murph. I think some people have unrealistic expectations sometimes. I have never thought he was elite, expected him to be elite or been pissed when he isn't playing like some guy who is being paid twice his salary. I want him to be efficient and clutch (which he has been more often than not EVEN THIS PAST YEAR) and a superior leader of men, which he absolutely is 24-7-365. Certainly he has a couple BAD games per year and yes I do think that he needs to work on those not getting OUT OF HAND...but to expect a QB never to have a really bad game or two each year is absolutely positively pie in the sky because it will never happen that you find that guy. I bet you no other QB in the NFL last year had 10 games where he didn't throw even one INT (I think P55 pointed that out elsewhere) but no one brings that up and if you do people probably label you as a jock sniffer.

Oh and great posts as usual P55.

Would I want Manning? Well no, I don't like that team model...have a QB who takes up 21 mill of the cap and has never been on a team not even for one year that wasn't hugely talented offensively. Is a guy who is quick to blame others publicly when he has a bad day or his team loses? Nahhhh.

Or you could be unlike me and disagree with Kerry Rhodes, stud safety on the NYJ:

Rhodes said he doesn't believe that's how a quaterback should carry himself.

"It's not about (Cutler's) play. He's a good player, that speaks for itself," Rhodes said.

"There's more to being a quarterback than just having a big arm, getting passing yards, and getting touchdowns."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03272009/sports/jets/kerry_keeps_cutting_cutler_161632.htm

[Jangler]

I don't see a better alternative at this point.

I see you are new here, just look around for a Cutler thread. Some think he is an alternative.

[Nu Guns]

First of all Jake is not a gun slinger, please stop saying that. He needs a gun to be a gun slinger. Just because he throws hanging floaters that Smith can some times come down with does not make him a gun slinger.

As far as the best option, again Cutler is the best option. Its not every year a franchise QB becomes available. We are making such a huge mistake not showing any interest in him.

Fact is , a team wins championships but the QB is thr most important position on the field. The QB is our leader, and until the Panthers except the QB franchise model Im affraid we will just remain a really good team unable to win the big one. I dont hate Jake , he is just a slighty better then average QB.

[Jangler]

We can't show any interest in Culter. No money. If Peppers were already gone maybe, but even then I doubt it. Plus if we were to show our hand about Cutler, Maybe Fox/Hurney do want him, that would give Peppers more power over them. IMO

[Fireball77]

Nu Guns, this thread isn't even for people who think like you, it's for people who feel like I do...check the OP.

If you think Jake doesn't have a strong enough arm that is not a good criticism of him anyway. His arm strength is good. And Cutler is no kind of leader anyway.

[rayzor]

First of all Jake is not a gun slinger, please stop saying that. He needs a gun to be a gun slinger. Just because he throws hanging floaters that Smith can some times come down with does not make him a gun slinger.

As far as the best option, again Cutler is the best option. Its not every year a franchise QB becomes available. We are making such a huge mistake not showing any interest in him.

Fact is , a team wins championships but the QB is thr most important position on the field. The QB is our leader, and until the Panthers except the QB franchise model Im affraid we will just remain a really good team unable to win the big one. I dont hate Jake , he is just a slighty better then average QB.

what is it about him specifically that keeps us from winning a superbowl?

don't say "because he isn't a franchise QB" either. That term is just so subjective it isn't funny. What is it about Jake that is holding us back?

[Nu Guns]

Nu Guns, this thread isn't even for people who think like you, it's for people who feel like I do...check the OP.

If you think Jake doesn't have a strong enough arm that is not a good criticism of him anyway. His arm strength is good. And Cutler is no kind of leader anyway.

Just keeping your chemical imbalance in check :sifone:

[God]

what is it about him specifically that keeps us from winning a superbowl?

don't say "because he isn't a franchise QB" either. That term is just so subjective it isn't funny. What is it about Jake that is holding us back?

Six turnovers in a playoff game.

[Fireball77]

Gotcha...so Murph and Scot are right...no shock.

[carpanfan96]

First of all Jake is not a gun slinger, please stop saying that. He needs a gun to be a gun slinger. Just because he throws hanging floaters that Smith can some times come down with does not make him a gun slinger.

As far as the best option, again Cutler is the best option. Its not every year a franchise QB becomes available. We are making such a huge mistake not showing any interest in him.

Fact is , a team wins championships but the QB is thr most important position on the field. The QB is our leader, and until the Panthers except the QB franchise model Im affraid we will just remain a really good team unable to win the big one. I dont hate Jake , he is just a slighty better then average QB.

He does have a gun, sorry dude. Not the strongest in the league, but he can throw the deep ball and make threaded passes. He lead the league in Aypa last season, being his throws went farther then any other qb's throws did on average threw the air last season. On top of that it's known that he has above average arm strength, it's also known that he is considered a gunslinger.

[carpanfan96]

Six turnovers in a playoff game.

Would you rather us have, Payton Manning? He's had 4 int playoff game's and is 7-7 in playoff games......

What about Jay Cutler, in fighting for the playoff's last year when his team only needed to win one game. In the last three games he had 4 int's and 1 lost fumble....Seems like a sure winner to me....

What about Matt Ryan....he had a 3 turnover game last playoff's....

What about Chad Pennington He had a 4 int day in last year's playoff's...

Everyone has Bad games....GTF over it already...

[Fireball77]

So what I have learned around here is:

Never doing anything but pissing and moaning about Jake including not even giving credit for what he deserves it for=realist

Thinking he has some good qualities as a QB but isn't perfect or elite=BDJS or someone who has a "chemical imbalance" or whatever.

Gotcha.